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Old 13th Sep 2013, 15:40
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Old 13th Sep 2013, 15:45
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The Republican Party National Leadership is refusing to accept the fact they are out of step with the members of their own Party. Far too many of us reject the current Leadership and their insistence upon making "Social, Moral, and Ethical" issues such as same sex marriage, abortion, and similar issues the leading issues in their platform.

We want to see those issues, which prevent so many who would otherwise embrace our views on really crucial issues, from joining us.

If we do not get control of Government Spending, get back to a Balanced Budget, eliminate un-necessary government regulation, duplicative programs, shrink the size and power of the Federal Government, turn the Economy around, and create the environment that will allow for the creation of jobs by the Private Sector.....then we shall never be in a position to address the other issues that divide us.

The GOP have two wonderful gifts handed to them right now....Defunding Obamacare and Obama trying to take us to War in Syria.

80-90% of the People are adamantly against going to War in Syria....yet the GOP Leadership, such as my Senior Senator....voted to support Obama in this. They would rather go along and get along in this than respond to the Will of the People.....now how stupid is that? They put a finger in our Eye....when they should be singing Amen Choruses.

Everyone knows Obamacare is just simply bad law, bad for business, bad for the people, bad for the Country.....and the GOP Leadership refuses to Defund the Law. They will tell us how bad it is....and that they want to do something....but in reality.....they are unable to bring themselves to fight it.

They are more afraid of the media and the Democrats than they are of losing the Conservatives within their own Party.

That is why there shall be a Third Party formed over all of this. True Conservatives are fed up with what is going on within the GOP. When the Tea Party Movement and those who think as we do in the Main get together then the GOP will become the least powerful of the three Parties.

I forecast within a decade....there will only be two Parties....one Liberal/Progressive (Democrat Party) and a Conservative Party. The GOP will shrink to a size it will not be a player of any kind....much as the Libertarian Party is now. The Libertarian Party will join ranks with the new Conservative party.

Perhaps the Conservative Party might retain the name "GOP" but it will be after the National Leadership changes following a revolution within the ranks of the GOP.
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Old 13th Sep 2013, 15:58
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Continuing on this trend of rank and file Republicans, such as myself and a lot of us here in JB, moving toward a much more Libertarian point if view, are there any GOP leaders that we can say reflects this movement?

Chris Christie?*

Ted Cruz?

Ron Paul?

Anybody?




* Had high hopes for Christie early on, but not so much lately.

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Old 13th Sep 2013, 16:06
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If you're looking for a party based on conservative ideals then the Constitution Party might just do the trick.

Perhaps this Conservative Party can take elements of the Constitution Party, the Tea Party and some conservative elements of the Republican Party (the little that remains), meld it together and present it to the people of the United States (the "non-entitled" ones). Because, remember: ALL power of any government, whether federal or state, is derived from We the People.
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Old 13th Sep 2013, 16:16
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Republicans with Libertarian views? How about the former Republican govenor, Gary Johnson? However, Johnson is now a member of the Libertarian Party.

How about some Republicans with Constitutional views? How about some Republicans who will stand up and defend the Constitution against the assault it is currently undergoing, and has been undergoing for several years now? How about some Republicans who will stand up and represent the Will of the People, period? (I'm not going to ask these questions of the Democrats because they're collectively leading the assault on the Constitution with no intention of abating.)

No. The Republicans and Democrats are no longer the answer. America needs something quite a bit different. And, truth be told, the more and more I learn about the Constitution party and the more I learn about their candidates and what their ideals are, the more and more I see the CP as a viable alternative to the status quo of an out of control Executive branch, a do-nothing but wring our hands and sing kumbaya Legislative branch, and a politically damaged and influenced Judicial branch. These three branches of the federal government are NOT what the founding fathers had in mind so many years ago. Not at all. Actually these three branches of the federal government have become the very antithesis of what the founding fathers had in mind.

Time to clean up shop.
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Old 14th Sep 2013, 17:09
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Old 15th Sep 2013, 03:14
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Cruz is a Canadian unless he can produce all of the forms his parents would have to submit near the time of birth. Simply saying he is does not make a TRUE US citizen. Can not believe the birther Baggers have not seen through him.

As to Paul the Dems hope he is the Rep candidate. One debate and he will be done.

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Old 15th Sep 2013, 04:30
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Cruz was born in Calgary AB. His mother was American and his father was Kenyan.. err.. forget it, must be someone else.
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Old 15th Sep 2013, 12:45
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I'm wondering if, after the next election, someone will discover BHO is an illegal immigrant.
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Old 15th Sep 2013, 16:35
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Cruz is a Canadian unless he can produce all of the forms his parents would have to submit near the time of birth. Simply saying he is does not make a TRUE US citizen. Can not believe the birther Baggers have not seen through him.
Where the hell did that come from? Or should I say why in the hell did that come up?

In any case, no Obama supporter has any business questioning the background any other candidate, after all the nonsense that the Obama camp has put out and the lengths they have taken hiding Obama's background.

Hello pot.

Oh, and please don't forget that it was the Hillary campaign that first questioned Obama's legal eligibility to be the President of the United States, not the Republicans.


P.S. I've never questioned Obama's eligibility to be President, his mother was a US Citizen at the time of his birth, as was Cruz's, and that is good enough for me.
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Old 15th Sep 2013, 18:42
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Con I'm pretty sure Cruz' father was a naturalized American, having left Cuba when he was 14 or so. As far as him being Canadian, more power to him.
Canada recognizes dual citizenship thus a baby born in Canada, whatever nationality his parents may be is automatically a Canadian citizen. Therefore Cruz, being born in Calgary, holds dual citizenship. This is legal in Canada but I believe it's not recognized in the US. A position with which I agree, by the way.
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Old 15th Sep 2013, 19:54
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I had a lot of fellow Air Force brats friends that have or had dual citizenships, from being born on air force bases in foreign countries*. Legally they are considered natural born US citizens.

Now if one of them wanted to run for president, they would have to give up the other citizenship. I think.


* I was born in Utah and after some consideration, it was allowed that I was, in fact, a natural US citizen in spite of being born in Utah.
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Old 15th Sep 2013, 20:24
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I'm wondering if, after the next election, someone will discover BHO is an illegal immigrant.
Some years back it was speculated(*) that all official actions of his, bills and executive orders signed, etc. would be null and void.(**)

*,,,by someone smoking a recently-legal leafy plant?

**...Could we possibly recover the costs of his vacations too?
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 01:48
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Once the damage has been done you can't back up. You can only learn lessons, like those living on the margin at minimum wage finding out their working hours have been reduced from 40 or more to 29.

As a group, I can only suggest they got what they voted for.

There are a million or more jobs waiting to be created to exploit the US energy potential unleashed by fracking technology. They are being stifled by the administration and the EPA, a consortium of anti-capitalists. You got what you voted for there, too.

If you're a newly minted grad ready to cash in on the American Dream... Sorry, you got what you voted for there, too.

We're still a long way from eating grass, like N. Koreans, but it seems an increasing majority are voting for it.
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 19:40
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Perhaps I'll be sorry for starting this can o'worms.

But I was slightly taken aback to see the president carry on with his planned press conference today, marking the 5th anniversary of the 2008 economic crisis.

While sitting about 4 miles from the Navy Yard incident myself, I was utterly shocked to see them break away to show the President's press conference, and while the body count was being increased minute by minute as he spoke, he took it upon himself to berate Congress for getting in the way of improving the economy.

I worked at a newspaper for nearly 3 decades, but never in my experience has a president been this tone-deaf and disrespectful of something the country is going through.

Who advises this man? PT Barnum?

And when 12 people are dead on a naval facility, am I going too far to say the entire country is "going through it" and that the leader of the country needs to show some respect?

He reached a new low today--even for him. Sorry. But that was simply appalling.

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Old 16th Sep 2013, 19:44
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Who advises this man? PT Barnum?
Sadly yes, but he may not have been in the 'breaking and changing every few minutes" loop since he was giving a brief. He probably got caught up on the latest after the event. To be fair the president, he has many things to do each day.
When 12 people are dead on a naval facility, am I going too far to say the entire country is "going through it"
Yes, you are going too far.
It's a local event.
Big country.
Take a look at the map.
and that the leader of the country needs to show some respect?
I don't think he was showing disrespect, he was doing his job at the time in the place he was doing it.

I didn't vote for the man, but I do not think all of the criticisms of him are fair. IMO, you are being unfair.
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 19:53
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Fair enough on "he's busy." But his people knew what was going on. Somebody on his staff has been tasked with following it.

In fact I spoke with a reporter friend with whom I was going to go to lunch today, and he texted me and canceled due to being involved in the story.

It was he who said how surprised he was the press conference wasn't postponed for a couple of hours at least. Reporters fully expected it to be, with what was going on a couple of miles away.

The reason I reacted this way was through the years I saw many a time when presidents delayed or postponed certain things because of something that was happening, in the interest of decency or tact. It's not unprecedented.
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 19:55
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I dislike defending Obama, but, in this case his appearance was delayed due to incident at the Navy Yard and he did take the first few minutes to express his feelings for those that were killed and injured.

As for him not commenting any further, for once he actually didn't start giving answers to questions that cannot be answered currently.

But don't worry, he'll figure out some way to screw this up.

As for the Navy Yard incident, there is a thread started on this subject.
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 21:59
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Wonder if glad rag will bring his bile here regarding the reason he claims is behind this guy shooting up the Navy Yard. We shall see.
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Old 17th Sep 2013, 06:39
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It wasn't until later that the President realized that Vladimir's saddle didn't have a horn.

When he said he would be more flexible after the election, i wasn't expecting that he meant.... well, you know.
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