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Old 5th Feb 2013, 17:11
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No, Lyman, it does not give me pause. I do NOT fear the federal government. I do not think they're out to "get us." I don't think they have our best interests in mind, grant you, but I don't think they want to do us all in.

I do NOT fear being taken out by some armed drone. I do not fear being wire-tapped, followed by federal agents or any of that paranoia. The Federal government can't even deliver my f**king mail on time and I should fear them? They couldn't balance a budget to save their lives and I should fear their wrath?

The Federal government is incompetent. It's obvious everywhere you look. And I should fear them? I don't think so.
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 17:14
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West Coast:

I'm not damning Palin for being different than your typical stuffed-shirt politician.

I'm simply questioning her mental capacity since she cannot seem to formulate any type of thought into a coherent sentence. Not a single time. She doesn't have to be the greatest orator on the face of the earth, that's not necessary.

Just some sign of being able to think would be nice.

And, yes, she was a calculated decision by McCain. Which, obviously, backfired in his face. And he admitted that it wasn't the best of decisions. That should say something to you right there.

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Old 5th Feb 2013, 17:25
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Having written all of the above, what DOES give me pause is this:

"A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."

Now that is scary.

The entire Justice Department memo can be found here:

EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans - Open Channel

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Old 5th Feb 2013, 17:53
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No, I don't buy it.

We are opening a door that will lead to evil actions against everything this country used to stand for.

At the time of the American Revolution, the King of England could order the death of any subject with little or no reason, let alone allow the victim even the opportunity of a rigged trial. This is one of the reason we broke from England and formed a new country, where abuse of power, just like we are seeing now, would not happen to citizens of the United States.

No trial, no evidence, no defense offered to the accused. 'We think that so and so is an enemy to the United States, therefore any cabinet member can order the death of so and so', with no justification needed, outside the President's inner circle. In other word, the little people need not know why this person or these persons were assassinated.

Also, there is not a single thing in the White Paper that excludes the assassinations of US Citizens within the US and its territories.

We cannot allow this President, or any President, or any of his unelected Cabinet Members order the death/assassination of a single US Citizen without due process. Otherwise we are no better than Saddam Husseins of the world or North Korea.

I fully back the ACLU on this issue and I'll tell you one more thing, if this happened under a Republican Administration, there would screams for impeachment from all over the House, Senate and from the media.

This is just flat wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. If Obama, or any President, gets away with this abuse of power and violating the Constitution and Bill of Rights, I fear for my grandchildren and the nation they will grow up in.

We have reelected a dangerous man and his power is growing and unless checked by the Supreme Court or Congress for his abuse of power and his violating the Constitution, it will only become worse. 2016 cannot get here soon enough.

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Old 5th Feb 2013, 18:02
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I agree con. I wasn't aware of the degree of depravity of this Administration until reading the brief connected to the article.

I am stunned. This is the United States? The wording of the Justice Department brief reads like something from North Korea.

At the time of the American Revolution, the King of England could order the death of any subject with little or no reason
Read: The Boston Massacre.

Also, forget about the Congress standing up to this usurper. They have no balls anyway.

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Old 5th Feb 2013, 19:11
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From what I understand the actual Justice Department legal opinoion is still under wraps, and what was leaked was a briefing memo? Nevertheless, it's bad enough.

This is pure evil from a power hungry tyrant whose second term has only just begun. 2016 may not come fast enough!

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Old 5th Feb 2013, 20:26
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I'm not damning Palin for being different than your typical stuffed-shirt politician.
I prefer the way she stuffs her shirt to the way Joe Biden stuff his shirt.

Just sayin'
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 20:33
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Yep, that Joe Biden makes all the difference when making that voting decision:

Joe Biden confuses Poland with Portugal in latest embarrassing gaffe for the vice president – Telegraph Blogs

Biden has a well-earned reputation as a gaffe-maker extraordinaire, and this speech was no exception. In a key passage on the Eurozone debt crisis, Biden referred to Portugal, as Poland, a mistake subsequently corrected in the official White House transcript:
I can see why Palin was a lesser choice when deciding...

Matches Obama with his '57' states, his "Maldives" instead of "Malvinas (never mind the rightful ownership and name of those islands)".

But somehow these guys are smarter...
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 20:37
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Last week, Pew had some interesting polling on just how distrusting and downright fearful Americans, including Democrats, are of the Federal government.

Glenn Reynolds has an article in the USAToday on a Constitutional Convention.

A revolution in the works? Column

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Old 5th Feb 2013, 21:27
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There is absolutely a revolution in the works. I just took a ski trip to Northern Michigan around Petoskey over the weekend. I was confounded by the revolutionary conversations I had with locals, in the hotel bar, while we were observing the Superbowl power failure. I thought I was pissed off!

I think there's a Red/Blue breakup in the works. I'll give it 20 years, 2033, about the time I plan to cash in, thank God.
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 21:36
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I have a decent barometer re politics, and mood.

I have lost the urgency for rebellion I have felt for as long as you may imagine...

The longer the FED takes to initiate the final straw, the better the chance of a turnout of suffiicient rage and action from the People.

There is a wide spectrunm of dissent and downright rebellion that taken as a whole will finish Washington as we know it...And the longer it takes to trigger, the more coalescent and energized WE THE PEOPLE will be.

I repeat, Obama believes in Elitism, Poverty, and absolute power. The tricky part is the dark side, the Dronish denizens of the Empire that really would think nothing of machine gunning a TEA PARTY....

The extent and eventual result will depend on how quickly People understand the problem is not Obama. It is his keepers, masters, and Globalists who have him and his soldiers in the crosshairs, as they did Kennedy, Kennedy, King, Malcolm, Evers, etc.

Not to mention, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Bretibart, Ron Brown, Chandra Levy, and Monica Lewinsky, had she been so stupid as to have dry cleaned the seed of Satan.

that was a little oer the top, sorry.....
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 21:43
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Lyman:

the Dronish denizens of the Empire that really would think nothing of machine gunning a TEA PARTY....
They can't... They banned machine guns and under their current plans they'd be reloading every few seconds...

The Tea Party will cut them down in a hail of lead and copper...
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 21:46
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I will place a bet with you BT.....and say 2016 if Hillary or Joe show up on the big ticket.

We will probably be in Depression again.....Inflation will have become ruinous....unemployment will be worse....Taxes will be through the roof....and Obamacare Penalities will be enforced by the IRS....California and Illinois along with Detroit and some California Cities will be bankrupt....Medicare and Social Security will be nearly bust after the influx of 11,000,000 Illegal Aliens on Amnesty....our military will be grossly underfunded with big RiF's of troops who will be unable to find employment.....and Obama will be spending Hundreds of Billions on Global Warming and Green Energy for no good end....fuel prices shall be at Six Bucks a gallon and climbing as a result of Cap and Trade taxes and the war on Coal and now Natural Gas.

Remember the 2% rule.....an active insurgency with broad support from the People is all it takes. When Obama finally pisses off the Military, and Congress collapses to the point the People decide the Ballot box isn't working and their lives are being destroyed by those who are voting for living and taking from those who are working but only barely surviving financially....we will see the end of Socialism", "Marxism" and the Progressive Movement. We will see them hunted down in the streets and dealt with.

If the Conservatives win in 2014 as we did in 2010....keep the House and take the Senate back.....there is hope. We best all work towards that goal first or else we really do risk something ugly.
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 21:50
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If the Conservatives win in 2014 as we did in 2010....keep the House and take the Senate back.....there is hope. We best all work towards that goal first or else we really do risk something ugly.
Hear, hear, I'll drink to that!












Course then again, I'll drink to about anything.
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 21:53
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So when do you think it'll be before we can line them all up against the wall and shoot 'em?

Will it be:
1) When Social Security fails?
2) When Obamacare fails?
3) When the US military says "enough"?

At the end of it, I think we'll have 100 million or so Americans surviving, committed to the original Constitution, and ready to rebuild the most marvelous society ever.
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 21:57
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I don't believe, and don't want it to be, option #3.

Unless a wannabe dictator were to order the US military to undertake martial law and/or ignore Posse Comitas (sp?), the military as an institution should be out of it.

I don't believe the majority of the US military would follow such illegal orders nor even a majority of the law enforcement in the government, but a bunch in both camps would.

Bloody. Very bloody.

I am digging the Constitutional Convention idea.
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 22:04
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The People will not act first. It will be instigated by mercenaries with automatic weapons dressed as Tea Party, or other "patriots", spraying Congress, or Governent function, with bullets, to set up a dramatic "backlash" against the PEOPLE, which will precipitate a strike against Americans by ATF, FBI, and regulars. Obama cannot stop it, No Republican will try...... It is destiny.

Boston Massacre-ish.

I honestly hope the PEOPLE do not instigate this. But I do not think the PEOPLE wll. There is a plan to steal our Nation, I believe it....

The outcome will depend on the ARMY, as it should be. They will honor their OATH, and defend the Constitution against the Fascists, or not. If they don't, I don't wish to be alive to see the Death of America....

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Old 5th Feb 2013, 22:06
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The problem with the Constitutional Convention is Politicians would want to do the writing of the new Constitution and from what i have seen of Congress and the current Supreme Court and most Federal Judges.....we would not like the product as it would be written by Morons with Progressive Agendas and the Conservatives would not understand what happened to them if watching the Republicans question Hillary, Kerry, and Hagel are any gauge of their abilities.


When....simple to me.....when the failures of Congress and the White House wipe out our retirements, impose ruinous taxes and fees, cause the dollar to mimic the Deutchmark post WWI, and we have mass unemployment....well....pretty much like Germany between the Wars, the UK after WWII, and Greece today.

The difference is the mindset of those who seek to put the Federal Government back to doing what the Enumerated Powers allowed it to do.....and our ability to stand up to the Feral Guvmint with all those evil nasty assault rifles, shotguns, and handguns.

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Old 5th Feb 2013, 22:10
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I cannot speak for anyone else here, but when I took my oath of office with the Marshal Service, it was to the Constitution, not to whom happened to be in the White House at any given time.

And I still remain dedicated to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights of the United States.
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Old 5th Feb 2013, 22:11
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Our Constitution is fine, just fine, as is...

A Constitutional Convention would be a disaster. There are insufficient people of intelligence to even understand the one we have, let alone try to write a new one.

Most of America cannot write, or even speak, the language.

I say, no, Let's just enforce the one we have.

And start electing representatives whose first official act is not to perjure the OATH of office they just affirmed.

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