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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 21:51
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First, Temp Spike, Madison, who largely wrote it, said the Federal government's powers are "few and defined" and they are, if read it and stop trying to twist into something unrecognizable. If you, or others want to use the Federal government to go beyond Art. I, Section 8 powers, refer to Article V and AMEND it; call for a convention, don't do an end run.

Second, the Tenth Amendment states that powers not delegated to the Federal Government are for the states and the people.

AA

Perhaps a mistake, but "feral" government is too true.

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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 21:51
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At least he's not vacationing in Kenya. That would cost us even bigger bux.
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 21:53
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Oh yes AB...it's called taxation. Which is the a specific authority of congress to IMPOSE.

Sorry for the imposition, but, well, it is the law.

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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 21:54
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Well, those many members of his Kenyan family that are here illegally, and have been for some time, are costing us more than a few.


Each and every year.



Let's see, I believe, it's an aunt, an uncle, some other relative - cousin, was it?


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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 21:55
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It's NOT a National Government, it's a Federal, republican one. Somehow, I get this feeling that you would not be voting in the GF Administration--no property, no taxes, just bleedin' heart, teary-eyed sentiment.

But, they should only tax for things they are empowered to do.
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 21:57
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national? federal?

You quibble.
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Galaxy congress is impowered to tax for WHATEVER congress decides to tax for or not to tax for.

Who empower's congress? The Constitution empowers congress. Uh, is this why they call this a "hampster wheel"....?

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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 22:11
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Galaxy congress is impowered to tax for WHATEVER congress decides to tax for or not to tax for.

Who empower's congress? The Constitution empowers congress. Uh, is this why they call this a "hampster wheel"....?
I ask again, Temp.

Did you attend college? Were you taught there that 'impowered' is a word, and that the word 'empower' could be employed as a possessive? If so, was it a four year or two year college?
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 22:12
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Out of curiosity, did you go to college? If you did I'd be interested in knowing where.
Sounds like the makings of a Class Action Lawsuit.....as the University sure did not provide him an education for all the money someone spent during his time there.
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 22:23
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Here is the powers given to the Congress.

Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress

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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Why did Madison and the Boys spend time writing those Powers, if they weren't mean to be exclusive?

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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 22:33
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...and where pretell...do you get your constitutional extractions from...the "change-ling" Limbaugh website?

I am not going to sit here and pretend your interpretations are made in good faith. An entire party and now more than half the nation, disagree with you. Refuse to aqueous at your peril.
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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 22:39
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Couldn't find that one, either. Did you mean 'acquiesce'?

Also, more than half the nation voted Republicans into the House. The government is divided, and neither side has a mandate.

And Michigan is now a right to work state, with a Red legislature and governor. Never thought I'd live to see that.

The strong, growing parts of the US are Red. The moribund, bankrupt parts are Blue. Deal with it. The voters will figure it out as time goes by.

Though you would wish it otherwise, time is not on your side. I'm pretty sure 2013 will be disillusioning for a lot of people who pinned their hopes on Democrats.

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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 23:42
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A website titled, what for it........

neustar.us | Start with .US constitution.net! The text isn't hard to fine, I could have gotten off the shelf in, perhaps, dozen books, but hard to "copy and paste" from a book. I hate yo-yo liberals who throw the Constitution around when they think "rights" are being impaired and haven't a clue about what it really says--the MOST libertarian of documents.

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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 23:56
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Now Hamsters I understand, but what's this "Hampster Wheel" folks keep bringing up?

Is that where I throw my dirty underwear?
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 00:06
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Galaxy congress is impowered to tax for WHATEVER congress decides to tax for or not to tax for.

Who empower's congress? The Constitution empowers congress. Uh, is this why they call this a "hampster wheel"....?
Good catch obghram. TS uses words the same way he looks at The Constitution. It's an approximation, depending how he feels at the moment.
 
Old 3rd Jan 2013, 00:09
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I quibble not--big difference. Under a "national" government, the states are not soveriegns; under OUR system, states are soveriegn governments. If you disagree, be acquitted by a state government and then charged for the same crime by the Feds. The police in the Rodney King case could be useful advisors to you.

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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 01:34
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Someone is channeling Dr. Irwin Corey.....
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 02:48
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That rascally Oklahoman, Will Rogers, left some sage advice for Temp Spike:
“When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.”
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 04:18
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I'm not in a "hole". However your congressman voted.

See how:


http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll659.xml



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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 12:30
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Airborne wrote:

Silly question:

Why, as the resident of a state that doesn't have earthquakes or hurricanes and only has a few tornadoes and floods, should I be the insurance company for those that choose to live in areas that they know, unequivocally, are susceptible to these things?
Yes, a rather "silly" question. Because people decide to live in, or move to, places where there are no track records of such disasters occurring. The flooding and other damage done to areas such as Long Island, New Jersey and Staten Island never before experienced such a catastrophe. But they did due to the "unprecedented" storm named Sandy.

Should the inhabitants of such areas not receive some sort of assistance due to this unprecedented storm? Or should we just say "tough shit. You decided to live there, deal with it"?
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