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Old 6th Apr 2011, 20:41
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Simply take them out into some open space at Gitmo, stick them in front of a firing squad and shoot them.
I would certainly donate me and my trusty AK's for the job (I'd like to dip a few rounds in a bucket of pig's blood in full view of these pricks if I may, just so they shit themselves further). These terrorist [email protected] deserve everything they get and I hope you'll somehow have them blown away soon - they should not be permitted the privelege of living a single second longer. They're not human but an animated form of filthy disease-riddled shit and should be eradicated.

Rights for terrorists? You MUST be fcuking joking.
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Old 6th Apr 2011, 22:13
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Correlation Isn't Causation


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Old 6th Apr 2011, 23:09
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Rights for terrorists?
What about people accused of terrorism? As hard as it is to believe, people are sometimes accused of things that they didn't do.


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While sometimes true, when you look at these situations it would take quite some heavy denial to not realize that these situations were crises that were opportunistically exploited. I never said these situations were orchestrated; I simply said that they were exploited when they occurred...
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Old 6th Apr 2011, 23:24
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I never said these situations were orchestrated; I simply said that they were exploited when they occurred...
Yes Jane, and then there are cases where an event is not exploited enough...such as after the first World Trade Center attack. We failed utterly to realize the threat we were under and that the scum would try again. How does your Unified Theory of the Way the World Works answer that?

This silly idea that there are great and powerful organizations plotting every event with precision...c'mon get off it. Anybody with any experience in a big, bureaucratic organization (government or otherwise) realizes that's just a bunch of hooey.
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 00:27
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How does your Unified Theory of the Way the World Works answer that?
It wasn't a unified theory; it does not explain every political process, nor was it intended to. It was simply a summary of the processes by which crises are opportunistic exploited by government and powerful interests.
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 01:13
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Your fear of the Patriot Act has been shown to be unfounded by the fact that no cases have been brought by citizens suing against unreasonable search and seizure
Here's one example

The Patriot Act was passed to adapt law enforcement's ability to confront the threat. My Freedom hasn't been compromised
What constitutes a compromise of your freedom?

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Old 7th Apr 2011, 01:38
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Slasher....don't sugar coat it....tell us what you really think!
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 01:46
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National Security: Selective Secrecy - latimes.com

In a recent interview with Newsweek magazine, former CIA lawyer John Rizzo spoke with surprising candor about the CIA's "targeted killing" program. He discussed the scope of the program (about 30 people are on the "hit list" at any given time), the process by which the CIA selects its targets (Rizzo was "the one who signed off") and the methods the CIA uses to eliminate them ("The Predator is the weapon of choice, but it could also be someone putting a bullet in your head"). In a wide-ranging conversation, Rizzo volunteered details about a highly controversial counterterrorism program that had previously been cloaked in official secrecy.

What was most remarkable about the interview, though, was not what Rizzo said but that it was Rizzo who said it. For more than six years until his retirement in December 2009, Rizzo was the CIA's acting general counsel — the agency's chief lawyer. On his watch the CIA had sought to quash a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by arguing that national security would be harmed irreparably if the CIA were to acknowledge any detail about the targeted killing program, even the program's mere existence.

Rizzo's disclosure was long overdue — the American public surely has a right to know that the assassination of terrorism suspects is now official government policy — but it reflects an opportunistic approach to allegedly sensitive information that has become the norm for senior government officials. Routinely, officials insist to courts that the nation's security will be compromised if certain facts are revealed but then supply those same facts to trusted reporters. Sometimes the motivation for the disclosure is political and sometimes it's personal, but in either case disclosure has little to do with the public's need (or right) to know and everything to do with the official's need to tell.
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 03:16
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Speaking of the paranoid, the ACLU cannot produce standing as having actually been damaged; having no real live person harmed, sued anyway and got a court to agree with their ridiculous position.

I just did my income taxes, speaking of liberty, I would like to see you denounce real damage to our liberties--why am I paying for a bankrupt pension system; why will I not have a choice of medical care when I am 65; why can I not decide where my tax money goes for government "services" that go beyond constitutional authority? Why am I paying for parks I don't visit; for farmers not to grow crops; for ethanol I don't want? I'll pay for defense, even give them the authority to decide what that means; I'll pay for a justice system; for a banking system. But why for all the fluff?

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Old 7th Apr 2011, 05:05
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why will I not have a choice of medical care when I am 65
I don't know; I don't think that's right though either.

why can I not decide where my tax money goes for government "services" that go beyond constitutional authority?
Like which ones?

I'll pay for defense, even give them the authority to decide what that means
So you'll blindly pay for defense even if it was hypothetically wasteful, unnecessary, and potentially dangerous to American citizens?

I'll pay for a justice system
Agreed

for a banking system.
Are you talking about the Federal reserve?
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 10:23
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Err...

I am lucky to have low blood pressure, otherwise I wouldn't be able to read too much of this stuff before giving myself an aneurism!

You know, I blindly pay for airbags, seatbelts and crush zones in the cars I buy. I blindly pay for a good helmet, a set of leathers, and top-quality gloves and boots for my biking activities. Without thinking, I wear a seat belt when I drive or fly. When kayaking, I wear a life preserver. All of this even though it is hypothetically wasteful and/or unnecessary. Am I alone in doing this sort of thing? What am I, stupid?

What are you, Jane? One post it is all doom and gloom with you, moaning about the FBI under your bed, but in the next you are some sort of sunny optimist, ready to do without all that wasteful military spending. Would you please make up your mind? Are only good things going to happen to you and to us under your aegis? If so, how so, considering that you seem to feel yourself doomed?

Well, sorry... that was unfair. Tell Fluffy and Muffy to make up their minds about this stuff they write for you, okay? "Don't shoot the messenger," right?
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 11:53
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Gee Slasher, tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back though!!!!!

I agree whole-heartedly with your, er, dissertation.

Rounds dipped in pig's blood? What a novel idea!!!!!
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 12:03
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Oh Janey....targeted killing?

Would you rather it be un-targeted?

You cannot understand that some people need killing?

Would you have problems with the CIA knocking off , Saddam Hussein, Qadaffi, Mad Bob Mugabe, and any number of other evil bastards that inhabit our World?
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 12:03
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Uh, Jane? How is defense "potentially dangerous to American citizens"?
Should we not have one? Should we enlist the services of the Boy Scouts of America the next time we're attacked? (Or the Girl Scouts as well.) Or maybe even some of the members of AARP?

Okay, I'll bite. I agree. Defense is indeed potentially dangerous to American citizens.

Instead, I propose the creation of a Nation Offense. F**k the defense, we'll go on the offense. (Three, thirty six. Geen, red three. Hut... Hut....Hut...) This way we don't have to worry ourselves any more about defending ourselves against Islamic Jihad. We'll simply go on the offense, In A Big Way, and smoke them out from their hiding places. (Usually in caves, but sometimes a hole in the ground.)

Come to think about it: f**k smoking them out as well. We have a National Offense now (Offence for our cousins across the broad expanses of the Atlantic. And just what is it about this North Atlantic Oscillation that has everyone's panties in a knot?)
And with a National Offense no need for smokin' 'em out. We'll simply Nuke Them Out.
Or, nuke 'em in the morning and shoot 'em at night as they glow.

Hoo-ah.

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Old 7th Apr 2011, 16:08
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I used to think up till about 5 months ago that Defence was potentially dangerous (economically) to American citizens too Jane-Doh, but the numbers show its Obama Bin Laden's Medicare that's the most dangerous at the Fed level. I'm not going to argue on that point as I've done my homework.

With SDRs already discussed by the IMF to replace the US dollar as the Global reserve currency (as reported on CNN), its high time the man on Maple Street gets his ass into gear and protects his wealth. Anyone who hasn't got out of Bonds is headed for personal disaster.

I reckon there will be no third quantitative easing program - the Fed's second quantitative easing program is set to expire at the end of June. Most investors widely anticipate that emperor Bernanke will announce another QE plan and to continue injecting the financial markets with $6 billion to $8 billion every day, but my guess is they'll be disappointed.

Sure there's a good economic case for QE3 - the economic recovery is still on shaky ground, unemployment remains uncomfortably high. Even with the vast printing of new money, inflation remains stable – unless, of course, you actually count the bloody things that have gone up in price. So why not keep the charade going? It's done wonders for the financial markets so far. Stocks are way up. Interest rates are artificially low. And unless you have to eat food or use fuel, there's been no downside. Unless you're Ben Bernanke.

From what I've seen there's only 3 things that haven't gone up in price (after studying a total of 83 commodities) - natural gas (so far), chooks and eggs.

While on the subject I commiserate with poor old Benny boy. Here's a man who believes his policies prevented a global depression. He saved the banking industry, kept the US economy afloat, prevented unemployment from reaching record levels and saved the earth from Martian invaders, but he gets no credit for any of it. Instead he's lambasted in front of Congress, ridiculed in the newspapers, humiliated online, and de-friended from just about everybody's Facebook page. The man gets no respect.

My guess is he's anxious to give people a taste of what things would be like if his QE programs weren't around… at least for a little while till the Fed loses its right to print it way into further oblivion later this year or next year - then it won't matter anymore.

I complain bitterly about the devaluation of the damn dollar, the unending deficit spending and the lack of fiscal discipline, which are all aided by quantitative easing. So too is the run-up in stocks and the low interest rates. I reckon Bernanke thinks to himself "Let's see what everyone moans about when QE2 ends."

There isn't going to see a QE3 program until one gets a glimpse of what life is like without daily injections from the Fed. Maybe then the punters will then show a little appreciation for the market's kingpin drug dealer.

If you're buying stocks or bonds based on the premise that QE3 is on the way, you may want to rethink that idea. It may make more sense to think about what might happen when there's not an extra $8 billion coming in to prop the markets up every day. Look what happened last year when QE1 ran out just before QE2 kicked off.

Point is I mentioned in January somewhere that I and a few other investors expect the shit to hit the fan somewhere in April/May. A quick look at CNBCs Squawkbox lately and Congressman Ryan's statements confirms time HAS run out. Gas prices, social security debates, local government defaults etc just won't matter a damn soon. I admit this thread is meant more for US politics than the dismal state of the economy, but the two have been closely interlinked now since February.
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 16:08
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She is not alone!

God help us, but more people share her world-view than do mine or GF's or CP's, I think.

We shall not mention the departed, of course, from both sides, either the doughty Mr D from T or BH, Elena of the RED tractor, Moonbeam Minimus from Peckham.... when what I have noticed is that this has become is a sort of shallow rivulet with one deep channel down the middle with fresh-water sharks.

Those liberal mud-turtles always seem to finally go a bit too far, when violence ensues; some fact-based life form comes along, plays with them a bit and then SNAP!

I think that a modern education turns out a certain sort of muppet, able to type and parrot opinions but as for joined-up thinking, taking what really is out in the world and dealing with that... not a hope. We Americans enjoy a very privileged, very greedy way of life, one that makes us hated and envied in equal measure, so that many, if they cannot get a Green Card, simply want to kill us, or at least make soup out of Fluffy and Muffy.

So, what to do, given that dealing with the rest of the world in a spirit of absolute fairness would mean parading naked in front of our enemies and simply hoping that the maniacs out there somehow discover a sense of humour and proportion? Sad to say, for now we send many of our youth out there, heavily armed, to kill these bastards before they can kill us, when mayhem ensues.

It is not a pretty picture but do you want to end up on (God forbid!) public transport to share your space with some clown wearing exploding shoes?

Even such a liberal icon as Barry (spare Change You Can Believe In) Obama finds that the same course followed by GWB seems to be the only plausible one for the noo. I think that shows just how stuffed we are after the mean, greedy way our forefathers have behaved, but until someone invents a time machine so that we can go back and sort out some of our bad choices, what is the alternative? Even Fluffy and Muffy can only carp about the choices made, without coming up with much in the way of alternatives.
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 18:01
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as the left is so much more adept at stealing close elections.
I'm glad you used the words "much more adept" BandAide. Because the right is quite adept at stealing close elections as well. Like back in 2000? Eh?
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 18:37
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Ah, but it was the Republican - one Katherine Harris - who stated DURING Election Day - "I guarantee Florida will go to George W. Bush".

How'd she know that? Good guess? Precedent? Or something about hanging chads? (Or whatever the hell they're called.)
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 19:09
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Just saw an interesting line that our congressional "leaders" are disagreeing on what their disagreements are.

Why do our so-called congressional "leaders" (hardy-hardy-har-har) so often come across as Keystone cops? Or a bunch of Mo, Larry and Curlies?

Now, if the government shuts down tomorrow night does that mean that these same "leaders" won't get paid either? Do they get sent home like naughty boys and girls? (Without a note from the teacher, of course.)

BandAide:

I will attempt to find Katherine the K**t Harris's quote.
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Old 7th Apr 2011, 19:17
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Was anybody else here working for the US Government the last time it was shut down? I was.

We saw and experienced no difference what so ever. Nothing changed, not how we operated, where we operated, how much we operated nor any single other thing. It truly was 'Much to do about nothing'*.

Christ, if one would listen to the Democrats and the media, the world will end in two nano-seconds after the shut down.

Shut the SOB down.





* Apologies to WS.
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