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Old 7th Nov 2012, 04:28
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Well I got it wrong, I thought Romney would have squeaked it..but not to be.
What all the conservatives on here have to accept is that in an electoral sense, they are in a minority...perhaps you should seek counselling?
From an outsiders perspective...for me Romney came across as a bit slimey, is tainted by religion, and say what you like about his business acumen...appears to be just as much part of the good old boys club as was GB junior.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 04:40
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Counseling?
Thats whats wrong with the USA now.
You cant cross the street with out a lawyer in one hand and a head doctor in the other.
No one accepts responsibility for their actions.
Always blaming the other person for bad things that happen.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 04:54
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Interesting evening...

Although I'm an Obama guy I believe Romney to be an honorable and decent individual. If he had been true to himself throughout the campaign the outcome may have been different. However his having to tack towards the tea-party types killed him.

Prepare for lots of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" and the one thing we know for sure is that the GOP will have to figure out how to expand their reach in 2016. For better or worse the populace is changing and the GOP has to resonate with other than their current base (older; whiter; evangelical; southern/mormon corridor).

This drubbing may be what the party needs to figure out how to reinvent itself to be pertinent to the America of tomorrow...
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 04:57
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Time to let it go, assess the damage, and make the best of it. I think tonight's result is tragic, but one the people chose collectively in a democratic process.

Four years is not forever, and the coming four should demonstrate the futility of socialism more clearly as we are fated to experience more of it.

We had a chance to elect a good man, a demonstrably stellar executive, and an exemplary role model. We failed. Now we must pay.

As for me, I'm going to be pulling down assets, plotting my way out, and looking for the exits - but only until America comes to her senses.

I'm ultimately a deep patriot and love what America has been and should be. But I think the cumulative destruction of progressivism needs to play out and come to its denouement before we can build her up again.

Though I'm utterly depressed tonight, tomorrow is another day. The message of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is immortal, and will not succumb to the whims of the mob.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 04:59
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pertinent to the America of tomorrow...
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 04:59
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And the world took a collective sigh of relief

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Old 7th Nov 2012, 05:05
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Very gracious concession speech by Gov Romney... if the nation could have seen more of his genuine character, as exhibited in that short speech, things might have worked out differently.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 05:26
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Well done America.

Glad to see you picked the positive path to the future.

With any luck the GOP will clear the decks of the religious nutters and money grabbers and work at becoming a serious political party rather than a haven for bigots.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 05:31
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Earl:
Romney would have been a better choice, he is a business man.
Has lots of experience in creating jobs.
Yes in China.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 05:31
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I dont like obama, but he did win and not by a small margin.
Over 100 electoral votes.
Have to accept that, its the USA.
Was it good for the USA, probably not. one day the free money will end for the welfare types.
Then who will you blame when you cant feed your family, cannot get anymore from the rich ones, you stole that already.

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Old 7th Nov 2012, 05:34
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Brick: I am proud of my flag, if the whole world was like EU, it would be great.
EU and the USA are the 2 biggest partners sharing the same values, democracy and freedom.
If you prefer China, Russia and Poutine, or middle east please go ahead be my guest.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 05:36
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Actually, BHR, bigotry has become the hallmark of the left and Democrat party. Haven't you noticed? Where have you been?

Also, the money grabbers are Democrats. If you care to look, check out where the stimulus money went, not to stimulate the economy, but to grease the palms of Democrat money bundlers, unions, and underfunded state medicaid programs. Now that's money grabbin'!

You might approve of that, and think it's money well spent. I don't.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 05:36
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That beats France with no job creation!

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Old 7th Nov 2012, 05:46
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There is an interesting and big opportunity here for the republican party, and with a relatively simple roadmap:

1. Throw the nutters overboard: or more simply, wish the tea party and the religious fundamentalists well, as they seek their identity and popular support outside the republican party.

2. Enter the 21st century: stop whining about gay marriage, abortion and the like. It's done. Live with it. Let the previously expelled nutters deal with it.

3. Start making sense on the impending budget implosion. Give the people believable numbers, both for spending cuts across the board and for taxation. Unpopular in the beginning, but when the big crunch comes it will pay off. This is the big one: tell people over and over again just how big the deficit problem is, and just how big the spending cuts will have to be not only on social security and other benefits, but also on defense. Better get the truth on their side now, it will pay off at the next mid-term.

I'll be watching John Boehner with interest these next few weeks and month, as he could well be the most important actor in Washington in the near future.

This thought to close: imagine what would happen if Europe somehow did its homework and squeezed through the monetary crisis, and at the same time the US did not? Not a pretty picture, for anybody...
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 05:52
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 06:18
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Actually, Fly MD,the best course for the Republican party is to let your agenda run its course with its reverance for gay marriage, abortion, and the like.

The Tea Party ethic is the soul of the country, and religious people are our backbone. You need not call them nutters or fundamentalists, they are simply good people who have faith in God.

As to your other point, the Republican party has made sense on economic issues for some time. Now, the Republican House of Representatives is the only obstacle to complete irresolution regarding the debt and increasing deficits adding to it.

You need not advise Republicans on how to regain power. Principles that work ultimately prevail.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 06:24
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Funny how one sees what one hopes for! I read :


US Election 2012: Barack Obama re-elected as US president

As
US Election 2012: Barack Obama rejected as US president
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 06:35
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With respect, BenThere, my point is that the Tea Party/Religious right should make their mark (or disappear) outside of the Republican party, so that the GOP can claim the vote of the overwhelming majority of moderate Americans.

I'm a liberal atheist, and again with respect, both Tea Party and Religious Right fit my definition of Nutters, so I stand by it.

Up to now, the Republicans have tried to sell the public the enormous porkie that they can save the budget without touching defense and by lowering taxes. It's time that they owned up to the truth, which will serve them in the long run.

If you choose to interpret my opinion as unwelcome advice, well.. that's your issue.

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Old 7th Nov 2012, 06:36
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The Tea Party ethic is the soul of the country, and religious people are our backbone
Only it isn't as it turns out.

Good for America, it chose to discard a divisive man who is now a small footnote in the history of the United states.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 07:07
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Nice !

Well blow me down with a feather Trevor !

Us old Europhiles called it right once again.

Everyone (well 70%) reckoned that was the way it would go.

I guess The US media was simply hoping against hope that a miracle might happen.

Romney would have dragged the US and the rest of the world, back into the bleak and twisted days of George W Bush.

Nobody would have benefited from that.

Good outcome all round

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