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Old 6th Sep 2012, 22:18
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You think so?
Yeah, I think so.

If you don't like my opinion, pass a law forbidding me from expressing it.

But at this stage, any other profession other that a part time college lecture (reader) and a community organizer would be welcomed. Hell, even a good used car salesman would do better than Obama has. But Bill Clinton can't run again.
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Old 6th Sep 2012, 22:42
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The baby that Romney is holding just found out how much his generation got hit by Obama's increased spending.
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Old 6th Sep 2012, 23:47
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TurbineD,

Go back to 2008 and the US Election threads and all its offshoots and you will see pages of the most vile comments against Republicans, posted freely by supposed liberals.

So this high-and-mighty nonsense about bringing diversity is just nonsense. Debate is welcomed. Conservatives don't have campus speech codes, liberals (sic) do. Conservatives don't want government bureaucrats to determine what is 'fair' on the radio, liberals do. Conservatives don't want to replace the truly liberal Western canon in universities with popular politically-charged leftist authors, liberals do. Conservatives don't want permanent bannings for political reasons on threads like this, but apparently European socialists do. Conservatives don't want to limit organizations' freedom of speech, but liberals do.

This world needs more, not less, debate. An objective person would see that modern liberals (an oxymoron of course) are not at all liberal. They tend to favor more control, more centralized decision-making, and ever-more dependency by people on the state.

That's what we are faced with, and that's what we debate, with gusto.
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 00:04
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If every American had only a Far Right-wing Conservative viewpoint and there was no balancing Liberal viewpoint, would we be a free as a society? Think about it...
I just love how Socialists try to lable themselves as "Liberal", when everything they espouse involves using the power of government to force people to do things while they whittle away Individual Rights, as if they are some counter-balance to the so called "far right".

Socialists always try to create this "Left vs Right" illusion, as if being a slave in a socialist Nazi state offers something radically different than living as a slave in a socialist Marxist one. The useful idiots herd-up like sheep and begin bleating the same song and dance.

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Old 7th Sep 2012, 01:03
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The economic debacle was made possible by Gramm, Dodd, Frank, And Clinton.
No it wasn't.
You need to go back and review real history. The economic decline (debacle) began when Bush reduced income taxes to avoid the word "recession". This was after he initiated the war in Iraq with no means as to how to pay for it. Reducing taxes proved not to be the way. And then, as most Conservatives don't ever want to remember (amnesia), shortly after the economic collapse, Bush directed, by abdicating his authority ("I don't know much about economics, you take care of it") and relinquishing his role to Henry Paulson, who through his Wall Street and Banking connections, held a very famous meeting with the major banks in the Federal Reserve Building conference room in New York. There, Paulson dictated to the banks to take a not-yet determined share of the first TARP funds. Only Wells Fargo objected. They were quickly reminded their bank examiner sat next to them and things would not go well if they didn't agree to TARP funds, your taxpayer $$$. This meeting was extremely well documented. Graham, Dodd, Frank & Clinton? You got your era mixed up, I don't think it was their meeting. Such is real history...
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 01:11
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If you don't like my opinion, pass a law forbidding me from expressing it.
Debating is a passing back and forth of ones opinions and positions. There isn't any opinion right and wrongs and no laws need to be passed to express the aforementioned. Perhaps this quote comes from you not having your opinions and positions challenged for so long. Please don't take it the wrong way when I do so, it just means I have a different opinion or position than you do, that all. Other than that, life is good...
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 01:16
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This meeting was extremely well documented.
On HBO, wasn't it?

Too Big to Fail (TV 2011) - IMDb
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 01:28
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Go back to 2008 and the US Election threads and all its offshoots and you will see pages of the most vile comments against Republicans, posted freely by supposed liberals. So this high-and-mighty nonsense about bringing diversity is just nonsense.
Hmmm, Interesting. I participated in a political debate leading up to the 2008 election with some local Conservatives, taking the Liberal position. It was clearly a two way street, vile in both directions. This wasn't a thread on PPRuNe, but not unlike what I imagine the PPRuNe thread/threads were then. You don't have to look back far to see the unbalance that exists in this current thread. It's not diversity, it is balance, that's what has been missing here lately (the past few years).
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 01:30
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Turbine,

No, go back in history a bit further. This might help refresh the facts:

Time and time again, Frank insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in good shape. Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing
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Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco - The Boston Globe
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 01:36
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Some time back, the FED ceased collecting FICA, and Obama called it a tax cut in favor of the middle class. It was no such thing, what he did was unfund all SSA payments, and shifted the obligation to the General Fund. There are several ways to see this, but the upshot is that SSA is now unfunded, and a HUGE burden on the Debt.

"Quote:
The economic debacle was made possible by Gramm, Dodd, Frank, And Clinton."

Yes, it was. Refer to the extinguishment of Glass Steagal, allowing banks to action in equities, and wrapped equities at that.
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 01:36
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There certainly has been a lack of balance. Hard to find 'liberal' (have to use those quotes, because, well, liberal they are not) that will defend Obama, so welcome aboard.

And speaking of balance, hard to find criticism of Obama here from the left for Guantanamo remaining open, for drone strikes, assassinating US citizens, executive orders, the list goes on.

Somehow the left can justify a President killing a suspect (even US citizen) but found it abhorrent that the US used detention and enhanced interrogation on similar suspects.

But do carry on, won't be long before the slurs against the south start coming out. These things typically follow a script.
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 01:42
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PukinDog,

The useful idiots herd-up like sheep and begin bleating the same song and dance.
That's the samething I think when I hear from Conservatives about their attractiveness to the latest film, 2016-Obama's America.
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 01:46
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Turbine:
Do we have to be reminded of the adoration liberals expressed to every single movie made by Michael Moore?
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 02:00
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That's the samething I think when I hear from Conservatives about their
attractiveness to the latest film, 2016-Obama's America.
"Conservative"? What's that...another tidy, illusionary package you're trying to sell right out of the Statist worker's handbook?
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 02:40
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My new favorite political moment recently, and unrelated to the convention or the polarized lib/con corners, is the televised interview with Congresswoman Yvette Clarke, who represents a Brooklyn district.

She said that if it was 1898 in her district in Brooklyn she'd want the slaves to be freed. When pressed by the interviewer to sort of try to save her, she clearly had never heard of the 13th Amendment nor the Emancipation Proclamation. She thought there was southern slavery in....Brooklyn. In 1898. Well, there never were southern slave plantations in NY, but never mind that detail.

And. Wait for it. She's African American!

You really couldn't make it up. These are the people who vote...on BILLS that change the history and future of Americans.

If that doesn't scare a person to start shopping for her/own small island somewhere, not sure what will.
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 03:28
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A couple of tidbits that were in today's newspaper, that I'm sure were not brought up in the Democratic Convention.

First one. Must say I've not heard of this, but then being a retired pilot, I guess there was no reason for me to know about, "Food insecurities".

This is a report from the Department of Agriculture. A new high record of 17.9 million households didn't have food at all times last year to sustain active, healthy lives for all family memebers. This translates to a record 14.9 percent of US households, more than 50 million people, about one in six. Not too surprising, families with the highest 'food insecurities' are those headed by single parents and those with black and Latino families. The rate of food insecurities have been raising rapidly for the last three years.

Now the second one is no surprise and not surprising in the least that it was not mentioned at the Democratic Party convention. The United States has fallen in the global economic competitive stakes for the fourth year running. The United Stats is now seventh.

And Obama wants four more years? I guess still not enough families suffering from 'food insecurities' and the US has not fallen far enough compared to the rest of the world.
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 03:33
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But..but..but..we've still got Hope.

Looks like the Hopey-Changey thing will return these last few weeks.
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 03:47
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"Conservative"? What's that...another tidy, illusionary package you're trying to sell right out of the Statist worker's handbook?
I was just passing on the praise some of my "conservative" friends passed to me after attending and seeing the movie. Dinesh D'Souza who developed and produced this film was editor of the Policy Review, a publication tied to the Heritage Foundation, went on to work at the Hoover Foundation after serving as an advisor to President Ronald Reagan, and is now President of Kings College in NYC. I think you might concede he is a conservative.
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 03:54
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But do carry on, won't be long before the slurs against the south start coming out. These things typically follow a script.
You won't hear it from me, sorry to disappoint.
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 04:08
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con-pilot,
A couple of tidbits that were in today's newspaper, that I'm sure were not brought up in the Democratic Convention.

First one. Must say I've not heard of this, but then being a retired pilot, I guess there was no reason for me to know about, "Food insecurities".
Here is the report summary, note the chart on page 2. The rise you mentioned started in 2007-2008 and has not change much since then. The report explains what is meant by food insecurity and how the data is collected.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/884529...41-summary.pdf
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