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Old 30th Aug 2012, 01:06
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So: 'Big House, slave cabins' and what, 'the wrong side of the tracks'?

We used to drive past one particular house trailer with a cut-up tractor tire out front, one with a few scraggly sunflowers poking out, and an old Chevy parked out back with the hood off and its 283 hanging from a block and tackle. Then the other pilot's wife would shake her head and say, mockingly, 'Ah cain't be living like tha-yut.' (She was a city girl from Philadelphia.) That was out in the sticks in Appalachia, coal country.

What do you want to bet that Barack has never spent any time out there in far-western Virginia? No illegals to tout for votes from, to say the least.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 01:35
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Pawlenty is rocking the RNC with the Obama jokes.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 02:03
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Condoleezza Rice is inspiring the crowd. I have such a deep respect for her.

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Old 30th Aug 2012, 02:30
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Condi knocked it right out of the Park! Not bad for a little Black Girl from Birmingham, Alabama!!!!

Governor Martinez also scored a Homerun!


Chuks me auld son,

He sure hasn't spent a night in Downeast, North Carolina either!

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Old 30th Aug 2012, 02:33
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Indeed she did. Been an inspiring convention. Makes me proud for the possibilities of turning this country around.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 02:48
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I love Miss Rice too...
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 03:14
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Pretty darn good stem-winder from Ryan.

Gonna be great fun watching him spar off with Ole' Joe!
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 03:19
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NBC was nattering that the Repubs put Condi on earlier than they had advised.
Turned out there was a good reason: Ryan used the whole rest of the hour -- no time left for the network blatherers! (I'm sure that won't stop MSNBC, but who watches them?
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 04:23
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After watching the Republican Convention so far, I can't imagine what the Democrats can come up with next week to sway any still undecided voters their way at this point. All they will be able to do is pander to the fringe Left. I just can't see Obama pulling it off anymore.

There were some great lines this evening.

“It’s understandable,” Mr. Pawlenty said of Mr. Obama. “A lot of people fail at their first job.”
Pawlenty Jabs at Obama With One-Liners - Washington Wire - WSJ

Joe Biden is going to be crucified at the VP Debate.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 13:25
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Joe Biden is going to be crucified at the VP Debate.
Do you really think he'll turn up? It would be no surprise to me whatsoever if he calls in sick.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 14:53
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Seems to me that the idea of a 'family emergency' for the VP was explored a while back. I sincerely hope not, as (real) family emergencies aren't all that much fun, but also for the sheer pleasure of watching him stumble from one gaffe to the next. Remember, he's a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 15:37
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That's enough to make any assassin with half a brain back off from taking a run at BHO.

I'd like to see Ms Rice as POTUS some time in the future. Reckon she's going to re energise the USA when she gets in. She's a live wire that can't be allowed to go to waste.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 15:57
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I'd like to see Ms Rice as POTUS some time in the future.
Maybe, after November, she can add another piece to her resume. What cabinet post could she hold that she hasn't already held that would put the final polish on a superbly qualified future president? She's been NSA and State, what next?
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 16:16
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All this talk about Condi Rice makes me want to puke. You can't be serious?

I guess no one cares to remember what she did with all the intel coming in from various agencies, including the DoD in the months leading up to 9/11? You know what she did with that intel? She sat her fat ass on it.

I'm not going to say any one in the Bush administration had anything to do with 9/11, or in the Clinton administration for that matter, but people like Condi Rice were being told, in no uncertain terms, that a strike on American soil was imminent. And it's people like Rice who did f**k all to prevent it.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 18:23
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Did you ever work in Int? Probably not... I did for a good while, in NI. It's amazing how you can have a large number of data points of varying quality and still have no picture, a fuzzy picture or a complete picture.

Int. data was rated A-E and 1-5 when I were a lad. A is a trusted source that has proven reliable on multiple previous occasions while an E meant that this was a casual contact or even the result of overhearing a conversation. 1 meant that the information had been verified by either another reliable source or multiple other sources while 5 meant the the information was unverified. So, information annotated A1 was considered pretty much golden while an E5 was crap. I rarely saw A1 info but I saw a lot of E5... Funnily enough, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, there were a remarkable number of E5's that were solid gold. It's the dilemma of Int. Good int. can be based on the A source hearing a conversation, (ie: it came from and E source), and many E sources can contain accurate information but it can't be verified.

The problem is getting Int. that is actionable. I'm quite sure that the way Jamie Gorelick, (who, funnily enough was on the 9-11 commission - to cover her own arse no doubt), gutted US intelligence gathering by preventing the Int. Services from sharing information the data points they had to show Condi were something of a joke rather forming than a picture that was actionable.

Blaming Condi might be convenient and easy but it's really rather unconvincing.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 18:30
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No one yet has come close to Chris Christie's keynote address. I doubt that tonight will be any different. Chris told a good story on changing the fiscal landscape in NJ, how he is working with a total Democrat dominated legislature and noting progress is being made. I would suggest you read this article on how he decided to approach the fiscal problems in NJ and how he is handling tax reductions. It would be good for both Romney and Ryan to take some notes as they move forward. Particularly note his across the board 10% cut verses the Romney/Ryan plan...

WSJ Article on Chris Christie

The Weekend Interview with Chris Christie: Christie to the 1%—Please Occupy New Jersey - WSJ.com
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 19:00
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I was not very impressed with Christie's speech....he made excellent points but his delivery was not what I had hoped or expected.

Guv Martinez and Condi both were grand slams in my opinion.

I can see Martinez as Attorney General and Rice as SecDHS in the Romney Administration.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 19:02
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No, I never worked in anything intel related: correct.

I didn't mean to single Ms. Rice out as the share of blame for the ignoring of the pre-9/11 intelligence warning of an imminent strike on America starts with the Clinton Administration and goes right to the Bush admin. Ms. Rice just happened to be one cog in a very big wheel of inaction, apathy and ignorance.

Interesting what you wrote about the intel process though.
I do have a question for you about it though. If the intel coming in to the national security advisor (Ms. Rice at the time) seemed somewhat "fuzzy" then why did similar intelligence which was even "fuzzier" create such an uproar in the White House at the time, that it led to a war in Iraq? Or was that Intel actionable, verifiable and accurate? Hmmm?
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 19:21
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I think Condi would make an excellent Chief of Staff. The woman is one of the sharpest people I've seen in politics. She has demonstrated this in office, doesn't suffer fools and can handle most of the hot buttons with great intellect on the subject.

And the crowd could not get enough of her. She has the right stuff.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 20:25
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I do have a question for you about it though. If the intel coming in to the national security advisor (Ms. Rice at the time) seemed somewhat "fuzzy" then why did similar intelligence which was even "fuzzier" create such an uproar in the White House at the time, that it led to a war in Iraq? Or was that Intel actionable, verifiable and accurate? Hmmm?
You really didn't need any Int. to go after Iraq. There was no question, from anyone in the world including Iraq, that they had used WMD's on their own people about a decade before so they certainly did have them at some point. Then Saddam did everything to quash their attempts to find any more. It was the action of someone who has something to hide. Then the defiance of all UN resolutions right up to the final threat that said hand them over or we're coming. You really didn't need any Int. Any reasonable person would believe that Iraq had more WMD's and, since they had used them on their own people, would be quite prepared to use them against others.

But let's not hijack the thread...
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