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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 00:25
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Chicago has become another world. Looming forward to implementing Michelle Obama's physical fitness program "Let's Move." She probably doesn't realize it involves a U-Haul Trailer, well, yet anyway.
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 00:49
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AF-1 is reserved for the POTUS. If the Bumster loses he will be lucky if they give him Nancy Pelosi's old 757 for his last "official" flight.
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 01:07
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Screw that. Send him back to Chicago in this.



He can strap "Bo" to the roof, although, if he loses, Michelle may strap him to the roof.

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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 11:39
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Originally Posted by WingSlinger View Post
AF-1 is reserved for the POTUS. If the Bumster loses he will be lucky if they give him Nancy Pelosi's old 757 for his last "official" flight.
The callsign "Air Force One" is reserved for POTUS, not the plane. After George W Bush left office, he flew back to Texas on the same VC-25 he'd used while in office, but the callsign was "SAM 28000", not "Air Force One". I suppose it's becoming something of a tradition.

One thing that's bugging me about that comment, and this thread in general, is the way the anti-Obama rhetoric seems to imply that he's not a legitimate president. It's one thing to disagree with his politics, it's another thing to suggest that he's not worthy of the office to which he was elected. Has he actually done anything to compromise the dignity of the office? Anything non-political, I mean i.e. things that all parties would agree are bad?

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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 12:16
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Where do you wish to begin on that list of things he has done....or not done?

Let's start with the simple question of his eligibility.

Using the Democrats very logic and public position on matters.....a Law Enforcement Agency has stated on the record that their forensic investigation into Obama's published Birth Certificate determined it was fraudulent.

If the Obama campaign, Pinky Reid (Senate Majority Leader speaking on the floor of the Senate), and Obama himself state Romney paid no taxes for a ten year period and Romney have to provide documentation to prove otherwise....then I would suggest the Forensics Report by an accredited Law Enforcement Agency carries far more weight than mere slander, libel, and innuendo as in the Romney Tax thing.

If one adds in the issues of Passports, Immigration/Visa records, School Admission Records relating to scholarships, grants, and other funding, Draft Registration documents, then a very credible case for Obama providing either access to those records or providing them publically is not unreasonable.

I am not a Birther.....but I was an Investigator and way too many questions are unanswered that rightly should be.

After that is resolved we can move on to his actions in issuing Executive Orders and implementing policies that undercut Laws passed by Congress and signed into Law by former Presidents such as the Immigration Law, Welfare Laws, the Bailout of GM. and monies paid out under the Stimulus Bill.

In time we could shift to Fast and Furious where he has issued an Executive Privilege Order long after offering to provide the very documents sought by Congress if they would have not pursued the investigation subsequent to delivery of the documents.

You don't have to agree....and I dare say not a single Liberal or Democrat who supports Obama shall ever agree to investigate any of these issues as they see the Rule of Law being just an impediment to their Agenda.
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 12:45
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You don't have to agree....and I dare say not a single Liberal or Democrat who supports Obama shall ever agree to investigate any of these issues as they see the Rule of Law being just an impediment to their Agenda.
If you read my question again, can you see my problem with all that? By saying no "Liberal or Democrat" would agree, you are admitting that all those things are partisan, and thus outside the scope of my question.

That line about "the Rule of Law being just an impediment to their Agenda" is horrendous. You're basically demonizing half of the USA as opportunistic un-American criminals, as opposed to your "side" who stand up for all that is Right and American under the Law. Is that why you think this is not partisan - because "Democrats" are just bad people, not fit to call themselves a legitimate political party?

Is it any wonder that foreigners like me read all this stuff and go "WTF?" Where did all this hate come from? Franklin, Washington or Jefferson would not recognise any of that as acceptable political discourse.

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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 13:07
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You are way off the mark.

A forged Birth Certificate would constitute a Felony.

Baseless allegations are Libel or Slander.

The Media has a double standard and a Liberal bias.

Senator Akin said something stupid and is being pilloried for it.

A Minnesota Democrat sets up a meeting for sex with a juvenile boy at a Highway Rest Stop on the Internet and gets busted by the Cops.....not a word about it in the Media and no outcry by Democrats for him to step down from office.

It is the Liberals and Democrats who have the demonstrated resistance to exposing dirt, crime, and misconduct by their own.

A US Border Patrol Agent is dead....murdered by Drug Dealers from Mexico using weapons provided to them by our own Gun Cops and Department of Justice under Eric Holder (who is in Contempt of Congress you may recall)....and the Democrat Party Administration is doing everything it can to cover up the events that led to Brian Terry being murdered to the extent they lied under oath to Congress and have refused to provide documents relating tot he Fast and Furious Operation and the subsequent cover up. That is Obstruction of Justice, Perjury, False Statement and Conspiracy....all of which are felonies under our legal system.

The Democrats are doing every thing they can to delay the investigation and prevent the truth from getting out. That is being partisan. Criticizing them is not being partisan....it is pointing out the partisan politics being done by the Democrats.

As I said.....trying to convince you of this is a wasted effort as your position on these kinds of matters are well known here from your past comments. As you are not an American citizen....what you think really does not matter re our politics as you are not a voter and have no say in the results of this election or how this country is run.

The Obama Campaign, Obama himself, and the Democrat PAC's have taken American politics well into the cesspit this election. When Pinky Reid uses the protection of the Senate to make baseless accusations about Romney and his taxes that is just despicable. If he had made those comments from anywhere else in the country.....Romney would have sued his ass off for slander and won in any court he used.

All politics is partisan...by very definition of politics. There is a limit to which one should not go beyond where the Rule of Law applies to all involved.

In this country....the Progressives will ignore everything right and proper to further their agenda. They have embraced Alinsky and other ideologies in that quest.

If one cannot see that.....well lets just say there is no hope to sway one from one's viewpoint.



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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 15:24
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Is that the opinion of the whole forum, then? "Liberals" are evil, and only "Conservatives" are Real Americans?

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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 15:49
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Pretty much, at least by the conservative contributors.
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 16:14
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Is that the opinion of the whole forum, then? "Liberals" are evil, and only
"Conservatives" are Real Americans?
I can only speak for myself, but I don't regard "Liberals" as evil. Easily-persuaded, simpletons and patsies misguided to the point they even incorrectly think of themselves as liberal while fellow-traveling with evil Lefties and other assorted Statist trash, yes. But evil? no.

A Real American would be any American citizen.
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 18:02
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Is that the opinion of the whole forum, then? "Liberals" are evil, and only "Conservatives" are Real Americans?
Emphatically, most assuredly and absolutely not. No more than a members of the Labour Party are evil and only Tories are Real English.

We have what is called a 'difference of opinions' on how the country should be run. Have you not discovered this in the UK? Do all the various political parties exist in peace and harmony with each other in the UK, nearly always agreeing with each other?* Has it been my imagination that I have read posts here where the English members of this website have, if not called for, wished the deaths of some Prime Ministers that have run England, such as Tony Blair and Marget Thatcher, just to name two of many?

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.




* If so, things have changed a hell of a lot since I lived in the UK when I was nine through fifteen years of age.

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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 18:05
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As a reasonably well-travelled man, languages, international friends, worked in several countries and interested in politics, what strikes me as so very different about American politics at the moment is that there is NO common ground.

My friends who always vote Democrat (why always ?) tell me their party is always right and the Republicans are totally wrong; my Republican friends (who would also never never think of changing their voting habits - why ?) tell me the Democrats are invariably wrong on everything, no exceptions, and the Republicans have everything correct.

I have a Republican friend in California who is a pretty fanatical Catholic. One day I said to her: "You know A---, if Christ came back to earth tomorrow and said he was a Democrat, you'd still vote Republican". She thought for a minute and said simply "yes I would." Then she added with no hint whatsoever of humour "but Christ would be a Republican OF COURSE".

I look at different parties in different countries, I can see things they do (or would like to do), some good, some bad, but what I do not do is dismiss one party because of who they are. Or do the Republicans have it right and the Democrats are always wrong ? Or do the Democrats have it right and are the Republicans always wrong ?
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 18:15
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Okay, if true, please explain how the Democratic President Bill Clinton was able to run the county pretty damn well the last six years of his Administration, when Congress (Both the House and the Senate) was controlled by the Republicans?

In fact, I even voted for Bill Clinton for his second term. I've voted for Democrats in local elections including three Democrat Governors.

It is not as cut and dried as some are trying to make it here.
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 18:22
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True. For myself, I never look at which party someone belongs to for the municipal elections: I look at the past records of the candidates and assess what they can do for our town, not their political leanings. Of course municipal elections is easy...... (or at least, easier).

Still, most of my American friends are fanatically for this side or t'other.
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 18:28
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Thank you.

However, I did neglect to add that Obama is no Clinton. Something that even Bill Clinton is very aware of. Bill Clinton has wandered off the Obama path for this election more than once.

Which orginally made me supect a run at Obama by Hillary this year. Appears now that I was in error about Hillary running against Obama. But what the heck, it was worth a beer bet.
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 18:29
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To echo Con's comments, I would vote for a Democrat (and have in the past) if I agreed with their position and intent. That said, we're down to the wire here on saving our Country.

Which side most is most likely to do that? The side which is spending us into oblivion, or the side which wants to cut the size of Government and create a balanced budget?

Hint: The latter meets in Tampa next week.
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 18:43
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A couple other little facts to keep in mind.

By law the US Senate must present and pass a budget every year, then present said budget to the President for his approval or disapproval.

It has now been excess of 1000 days since the Democratic controlled Senate has passed a budget. In the mean time the House passed a budget, Paul Ryan's proposed budget, it passed the House and ended up on the desk of Harry Reid, the majority leader of the Senate, where is still sits, as he refuses to let the budget come to a vote in the full Senate.

President Obama presented his own budget to the Senate, it was voted on and received not one vote for approval. Not one single vote in the Senate that is controlled by the Democrats. So it is obvious that there is some major dissension in the ranks of the Democratic Party as well.

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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 23:19
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OFSO,

Something that is not well publicized (of course), is the fact that the radical, evil Paul Ryan represents a heavily Democratic district. But....

...if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.
Bringing two squabbling sides together takes leadership, and Obama lacks the skill. It is one of his greatest weaknesses. Plain and simple.
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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 23:31
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And if this doesn't speak volumes....

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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 23:36
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I was raised a Democrat....as most Southerners were. Remember that the Republicans were the Party of Lincoln. (Mention Republicans and Grand Ma used to spit....muttering those very words!)

Then....the Democratic Party left me......and I became a Republican by default.

We have a choice....Red or Blue unfortunately.....anything else right now is just a pure waste of your vote.

Alas....the Republican Party left me too....and I have become a "Tea Party" supporter.

I see our problems as being the fault of both political parties and have to take a cold hard look at the Party Platforms, the Candidates being run, and the agenda they are all pushing.....then I must choose which one to support.

This election as in 2010 it is simple.

Anyone that is for cutting spending, cutting the size and power of the Federal government, balancing the budget, reforming Social Security and Medicare, Repealing Obamacare, achieving Energy Independence, promoting growth in the Private Sector, enforcing our Immigration Laws, bolstering First Amendment Rights, protecting Second Amendment Rights, cutting Taxes, and attending to the business of the country instead of spreading the wealth around, ham stringing private business, killing the country with EPA Rules, increasing taxes, increasing spending, weakeing the Military, ignoring threats to our naitonal security, failing to maintain security of our classified information.......now just who do you think I am going to support?

The Nation is in crisis....we have had piss poor leadership and it is time for a change....urgently needed.

It is not a Republican/Democrat thing.....as much as it is a cultural thing. We are a Nation of producers, builders, creators....private business is the heart ond soul of the country. We have to return it to full health.....or this grand experiment is doomed to fail.

Compromise.....yield.....not on the important core values and policies.....not one damn inch.

Compromise is exactly what got us into this mess.
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