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Old 28th Jun 2012, 14:57
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Simple. The ruling came down that the Mandate is a tax. Obama said no taxes. Justice Roberts ruled it that way. Let's watch Barry explain that away on the campaign trail.

This was not what is going to clinch a Romney win anyway. Might not have hurt to have had it overturned, but it actually gives Romney more to run with since it passed.

That, and I believe that this actually emboldens the Right.

Feel free to disagree.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:01
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Now that I think about it even more, this may really work out better. 60% of Americans disagree with the bill. Ronmey and a host of others run on repealing the bill. Hmmm.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:11
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Please explain how any repeal can pass the Senate, with its arcane 60% voting rules.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:13
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I see your points and they are certainly valid. However, for Mr. and Mrs. Joe Blow who have no insurance - many of whom have no jobs nor do they want any jobs - this is a godsend. Yet more government welfare. And we know who it is that supports that.

So those who may have been sitting on the fence regarding Him will now leap to his side and vote accordingly. And there are lots and lots like them.

Get my gist?
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:14
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I'll bet that within the next few hours, this will pop up in a PAC Campaign Video.

Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax - ABC News

Funny, yesterday I wanted it repealed, now I feel as if I just got a boost.

I guess it comes down to never loosing faith in our country. We may stumble, but we'll get up again.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:17
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Get my gist?
Indeed I do, and to the segment of society that you are isolating, I totally agree with you, they will. I suspect that lot got him there in the first place.

My point is that they do not represent the larger segment of society, those who will be footing the bill.

Ya know, the ones who actually pay taxes.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:19
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Many things can be done if the Republicans will grow Male Dangly Bits....

Starts with November....improve the majority in the House.....win control of the Senate....remove BH Obama from the White House...or as many of those things as possible.

Start a Repeal movement immediately.

If that fails....defund the ACA....Congress can do that.

Drudgereport has a PDF version of the Decision.

Very telling is the Dissent Opinion.....as it sets out the real issues that matter.

Judge Nepolitano at Fox said something very straight to the point about the decision.....as best as i can recall his words...."Now....the Federal Government can tax you for not doing something they cannot require you to do."

As I read the Majority opinion....it seemed to say the "Tax" (what was sold as a Penalty all along and as being anything but a Tax) was not coercive and thus could not force one to buy health insurance....and under the Federal Government's authority to tax.....such a tax for not having health insurance was within the power of the Federal government.

So....let's get back to Broccoli.....does this mean Congress could pass a law that said the consumption of Broccoli was beneficial to one's good health....and anyone that could not document the purchase and consumption of a minimum amount of Broccoli in a year....would have to pay a tax to the IRS?

That is the way i read it!

From the Dissent Opinion
The case is easy and straightforward, however, in an- other respect. What is absolutely clear, affirmed by the text of the 1789 Constitution, by the Tenth Amendment ratified in 1791, and by innumerable cases of ours in the 220 years since, is that there are structural limits upon federal power—upon what it can prescribe with respect to private conduct, and upon what it can impose upon the sovereign States. Whatever may be the conceptual limits upon the Commerce Clause and upon the power to tax and spend, they cannot be such as will enable the Federal Government to regulate all private conduct and to com- pel the States to function as administrators of federal programs.
That clear principle carries the day here. The striking case of Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U. S. 111 (1942), which held that the economic activity of growing wheat, even for one’s own consumption, affected commerce sufficiently that it could be regulated, always has been regarded as
Cite as: 567 U. S. ____ (2012) 3 SCALIA, KENNEDY, THOMAS, and ALITO, JJ., dissenting
the ne plus ultra of expansive Commerce Clause jurispru- dence. To go beyond that, and to say the failure to grow wheat (which is not an economic activity, or any activity at all) nonetheless affects commerce and therefore can be federally regulated, is to make mere breathing in and out the basis for federal prescription and to extend federal power to virtually all human activity.

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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:34
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Indeed SAS, indeed.

One secretly wonders if Chief Justice Roberts has something up his sleeve.

Nah
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:35
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will enable the Federal Government to regulate all private conduct and to com- pel the States to function as administrators of federal programs.
Nonsense. The Feds already compel the States to function as administrators of federal programs in many, many areas. We can start with Medicaid and then keep adding to the list. Which is long.

Actually I was very, very surprised that CJ Roberts voted in favor of ObummerCare.

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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:37
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very surprised that CJ Roberts voted in favor
Which sparked my suspicions.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:47
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Mitt Romney is set to speak within the hour on the high court's ruling. If he chooses his words carefully this could very well set the stage for November's hoedown.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 15:56
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If he chooses his words carefully this could very well set the stage for November's hoedown.
I read the Barry had three speeches prepared. I'd bet the Romney camp did as well, although I was expecting a straight up or down, not an up, but we'll call it a tax decision.

I agree, this does set it up for November.

OK Corral, High Noon.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 16:05
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Very strange. Their Honours say that a penalty imposed for omitting to do something may be regarded as a tax.

Oh no it isn't. My law books say:

"The word 'Penalty' is used to mean the fine which may be imposed for a breach of the law..."

"A Tax is a compulsory financial contribution levied by the government to raise revenue...."

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Old 28th Jun 2012, 16:07
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In other news, and breaking:

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that heavy armor Turkish convoys are on their way to the Syrian border. The convoys include: tanks, anti-aircraft vehicles, self-propelled artillery as well as infantry transport. No word yet on the numbers involved.

Uh-oh.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 16:08
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Not strange at all. As an avid cigarette smoker I am penalized for not quitting by the substantial taxes that both the Feds and State imposes on the tobacco I smoke. Very similar.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 17:43
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Apparently, the Romney Campaign has raised $1,000,000.00 since the announcement just a few hours ago.
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 17:50
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Source for the above post.

According to Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul the Supreme Court decision upholding President Barack Obama’s healthcare reform law led to a windfall for Mitt Romney. Ms. Saul told The Politicker supporters donated at least $100,000 in the 50 minutes between the immediate aftermath of the ruling, which was issued at approximately 10:10 a.m. Shortly before 11:30, Ms. Saul said the total donations had reached over $300,000. By 1:30 p.m., Ms. Saul claimed the Romney campaign had raised $1 million following the ruling.
Mitt Romney Cashing In On Supreme Court Healthcare Ruling [Update] | Politicker
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 17:57
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One might also note that since the announcement the markets have reacted negatively! Example: the Dow is now down -155 or -1.23%. All the other indices are down as well.

I guess investors don't like the ruling!!!!
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Old 28th Jun 2012, 18:19
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Not to mention some 60% of the American Public (based on polls before the ruling).

I think it was at least 60. Don't have the time to check Rasmussin at the moment.
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