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Old 27th Mar 2015, 00:55
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Obama thinks "mandatory voting" is a good idea.
Of course he would. We have it here in Australia and if you introduce it in the US, it would be a free pass to perpetual government for the Democrats. Our version of your Democrats is the Labor parDy. (It's leaders actually mispronounce it that way as some claim of "working class" credibility.) Without compulsory voting, 75% of their voter base wouldn't get out of bed on election day. They vote for the politicians who promise them "free stuff", never once asking where that "free stuff" comes from nor who pays for it.

We have the added imbecility of preferential voting as opposed to first past the post. This can - and believe it or not, does - result in, after incredibly convoluted preference pass on deals between VERY minor parDies, in someone who gets less than 2% of the primary vote getting elected to a cushy job in our Senate for six long years.

We have a one Senator who received fewer than 1500 primary votes. But after preferences she's now "gracing" our Senate. And she's a bloody embarrassment.
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Old 27th Mar 2015, 05:05
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What is the penalty for not voting?
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Old 27th Mar 2015, 05:53
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What is the penalty for not voting?
A 'Please explain' arrives in the post in due course, and if the excuse is not deemed reasonable you are fined.

Exactly how much I'm not sure but it is quite minor. Maybe $50 but I am just guessing.
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Old 27th Mar 2015, 06:48
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Sorry to digress, what the hell is going on with the last page selection. I saw something earlier explaining it, but can not recall where.

When I select last page, this is the url.

http://www.pprune.org/showthread.php?t=438845&page=1108

Then a nearly blank page that says this.

This webpage has a redirect loop. I select Reload and then eventually takes me to Page 1098, the apparent last page. Is it just that this thread has grown too large?
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Old 27th Mar 2015, 14:09
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There are too many unoccupied pages. Certainly Firefox won't redirect although my IE will. Go to any early page and then select page 1097 (Or whatever when the thread grows)

After an excellent landing etc...
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 08:30
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 12:41
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WC,

I do think that Mr Cruz is just one of many in what is now being referred to as the GOP Clown Car of nominees.

As someone who does not have a dog in the fight in terms of voting in the US I do like to partake of the intellectual exercise of trying to pick a candidate in each party that I could/would support/vote for.

Last time out for the GOP I would have picked Christie based on the limited knowledge I had of him and the performance of the rest of the "field" during the "debates".

This time around I would probably pick Sanders for the Dems and for the Reps as it stands I would go for Pataki as the rest of the field are, in the colloquial Scots, numpties (which loosely translates as "totally wrong for the role").
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 13:00
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Originally Posted by BillHicksRules View Post
WC,

I do think that Mr Cruz is just one of many in what is now being referred to as the GOP Clown Car of nominees.

As someone who does not have a dog in the fight in terms of voting in the US I do like to partake of the intellectual exercise of trying to pick a candidate in each party that I could/would support/vote for.

Last time out for the GOP I would have picked Christie based on the limited knowledge I had of him and the performance of the rest of the "field" during the "debates".

This time around I would probably pick Sanders for the Dems and for the Reps as it stands I would go for Pataki as the rest of the field are, in the colloquial Scots, numpties (which loosely translates as "totally wrong for the role").
Pataki? George Pataki? My God. Do you know what Mr. George Pataki did to the State of New York when he was in office? For one thing he brought NY to its knees economically. And it still hasn't recovered from what he did.
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 13:23
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When queried about the former Governor of NY, our Army Ranger correspondent had but one comment.

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Old 19th Jun 2015, 20:12
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It's often hard to judge the zeitgeist of the voting population and such.

But the fact that Sanders, an openly avowed socialist with a das capital S, has as a key part of his platform a mass distribution of wealth in order to address the differences in wealth versus poverty--it shows just how far (down) the current 8 years have taken the U.S., in terms of the old values of self-reliance, education and hard work.

And I heard the words "distribution of wealth" right from his own lips in an interview. He's completely on board with that and does not shie away from the concept in any way. And this is a guy who is polling well, at the moment.

If somebody like Sanders can be taken completely seriously as a leader of the free world U.S. president, then we are in even worse shape than I thought. He seems a nice and earnest fellow. But his problem solving is pure socialist and communist inspired mechanisms.

The true elevators of those from poverty through before-school enrichment programs, access to excellent education from K-12 and then government sponsored loans for those who need either job training or college and post-grad have gone out of style as the true elevators of the most people. Back in the day, that was the way in.

And we had Headstart, student loans, affirmative action for minorities in admissions to try to counterbalance the societal histories. All things focused on the individual's ability to improve himself/herself with results-based programs as the underpinning.

But it strikes me that those who are running for office need a quick and easy fix they can do by executive order like quick redistribution actions---improving the country's education and training system to bring everybody from birth into a well-taught and employable system must take wayyyy to long for politicians who need a quick sound-bite fix solution. Like just grabbing taxes for giveaway programs with no long-term advantage to the recipient, from those who'se busted their tushes to get where they are.

The Sanders success so far scares me more than anything I've seen from the OGive-Me mob in the past 8 years. It means if he's polling well, then the entire mindset of American voters has altered significantly in the last 8 years when an accelerated tearing down of all American values of self-reliance and pride in achievement has been sold and promulgated so successfully and systemically.

Just imagine a candidate who's socialist and advocating restribution of wealth as his platform being taken seriously as a presidential candidate in 1990? Or even 2000?

Yeah, right.
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Old 19th Jun 2015, 20:46
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We really need to find the newer US Wheel started by RG and close this one down.
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 01:17
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c-p, check out:
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 00:15
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Rick Perry Crashes and Burns

I would have said flamed out, but that would be something partially out of his control. This is him taking off with the controls locked. This Republican idiot called the South Carolina church terrorist attack an "accident"!

Rick Perry calls Charleston church shooting an ?accident? - The Washington Post

As the "whoops" candidate this is the end of him. In his own words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4tWZNxnABk

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Old 21st Jun 2015, 03:15
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This young idiot in CHS really should be hung and shot.
I was raised in CHS, he could have walked around the corner shot up drug dealers etc near calhoun street.
This is bad area.
To walk into a church sit and pray for 1 hour with good people just shows how he is lower than a stupid idiot.
Now the Confederate flag in question now again.
Exactly what did he think he would achieve?
Well I will say one thing, black or white we all are same, you don't walk into a church and do things like this.
SC is mostly Southern Baptist, we all believe in God and forgiveness.
Black and white we all agree supreme court will rule in Gay marriage in a few days.
Now we will stand together, this piece of shXt young punk attempted to divide us.
Watch the big civil disobedience if they say gay marriage legal, blacks and whites.
Many big Christian organizations speaking out about this now.
Google it.
No we dont have to accept, not now not ever.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 03:24
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One thing that bothers many here.
Supreme court can determine the laws never make them.
This is getting out of hand here and not in our constitution.
I blame Obama for this and the older i get the more I research this as I feel we are doing a downward spiral here in the USA.
Look at our debt.
10.7 trillion when Idiot took office.
Now over 18 trillion and growing daily.
If this does not get under control we are finished as a country.
Then I hear Hillary say the Bible is thing of the past and we need to look at this as old school.
See where this is going?
Not a good pic for our kids.
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