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Old 19th Jul 2014, 03:14
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Europeans, and lately Americans, are afraid of their own shadows, lest they offend someone.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 03:15
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Ted Kennedy's chances of being president were downed
I'm sure you meant drowned.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 03:17
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Now, what would make you think that?
 
Old 19th Jul 2014, 03:40
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Dushan,

Reagan's speech was four days after the KA shoot down. In the end he did NOTHING! Just like he did NOTHING to avenge the Marines in Beirut, unless selling 2000 TOWS to the perpetrators was adequate payback.

Here we are one day into this with only one known causality that the President needs to respond to. Time for the Euros to step up. Until the recovery is complete no military action is practical.

However, the frogs could kick all the Russians training on there frog built amphibs out, confiscate the ships and hang a Ukrainian flag on them. Sorry Vlad no refund. If this doesn't happen I hear the Dutch have great subs. This would be a good start.

When enough evidence is in to their liking then the Euro's should play live fire SEAD and anti-armor ops. I would support a couple of Burkes helping out.

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Old 19th Jul 2014, 04:01
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Dushan,

Reagan's speech was four days after the KA shoot down. In the end he did NOTHING!

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Better four days later, when he had all the facts and with class, than to strut in the press room like some kind of gangsta'.

As for "did nothing", seems to me some wall came down, a few years later.
 
Old 19th Jul 2014, 04:01
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I'm sure you meant drowned.
If Ted Kennedy hadda been driving a VW Beetle he would have been President.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 04:10
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Four years too late in the Fux News new world of time lines when applied to Obama.

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Old 19th Jul 2014, 11:08
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Gorby lost in negotiations with Reagan as anyone with a grasp of History will recall and yes the Wall came down because of Reagan and his policies.

He understood that the Soviets were bankrupt, had a failing economy, and could not match us for spending on Defense. He used the SDI to convince them they had lost the Arms Race and in short order their House of Cards fell to pieces.

That SDI was very much a Pipe Dream, the Soviets did not know that at the time.

As I recall, it was Reagan who built up our Navy to 600 Ships (which we could neither crew or sustain over time and took other measures to confront the Soviets.

Deny it all you want but the Truth of the Matter is Reagan very much did bring about the fall of the Soviet Union.

What a difference between Reagan's approach towards dealing with the Soviet Union and Obama's with Russia.


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Old 19th Jul 2014, 14:37
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In the end he did NOTHING!
That is hardly true and suggests a breathtaking unawareness of the history that unfolded during the Reagan administration.

In the end Reagan saw the Soviet Union and its associated subversion consigned to 'the ash heap of history', and he, along with Maggie, NATO, and the power of Freedom and capitalism, did it.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 20:20
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I love the way history is being rewritten.

The USSR crumbled mostly from within and the arms race was just one of the causes.

Hungary started the end by dropping their border with Austria and within a few months the Berlin War was down.

Do not forget the efforts of trade unions particularly in Poland.

Even Bin Laden helped fell the Soviet Union.

Reagan just happened to be around at the time.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 21:18
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Reagan just happened to be around at the time.
Right.....
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 21:36
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LR, do tell us about the success of non-corrupt Communism will you?
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 22:02
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Reagan just happened to be around at the time.
Rewriting history again to suit your myopic, uber liberal, blatant anti-American views I see.

Wow, what a surprise.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 22:49
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I love the way history is being rewritten.

The USSR crumbled mostly from within and the arms race was just one of the causes.

Hungary started the end by dropping their border with Austria and within a few months the Berlin War was down.

Do not forget the efforts of trade unions particularly in Poland.

Even Bin Laden helped fell the Soviet Union.

Reagan just happened to be around at the time.
There'd be many here, myself included, who'd say you just scored a spectacular own goal with those opening and closing statements, John Hill.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 23:38
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To play devils advocate here, there is some partial truth to some of his statements, depending on how deeply you want to deconvolve the situation.

In effect it is no different to any other situation where you need to break your enemy's will to fight, or another words create the conditions that the enemy knows there is no chance of winning.

Yes the fall of the Soviet Union was a culmination of a lot of events, both internal and external, all placing pressure on the system. Any of those events in isolation could be handled easily by the authorities.

The trick is to create the conditions that those situations arise, and the authorities don't have the ability to handle it and the system crumbles.

The west held the line and created those conditions, and as the system was approaching breaking point, Reagen and his advisors knew it. As such they where able to strategically ratchet up various measures to make sure it fell over.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 23:48
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That's a concise and accurate analysis, rh200.

The failure of Soviet Communism was inevitable, as is the ultimate failure of all forms of Socialist government. It took a lot of players, including the Pope, who has not been mentioned, to bring about the denouement.

I'll stick with the view, though, that without Ron and Maggie, we might still be waiting for the end, still under the threat of a global nuclear weapons exchange.

Once upon a time, the 200,000 screaming Germans marched in opposition to the deployment of Pershing missiles, before Senator Obama caught their fancy. It was, and is, a struggle within and without.
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 00:33
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It is somewhat amusing to read that the conditions that lead to the fall of the Soviet Union were solely due to the actions of the US whereas the conditions under which the populations of Cuba and North Korea live is due entirely to their own failings.
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Old 20th Jul 2014, 01:24
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Dushan,
As for "did nothing", seems to me some wall came down, a few years later.
Those were the days, weren't they? Remember, interest rates at 16% with matching inflation? Star Wars programs being spent on faster than the printing presses could print the money?

Guess you were isolated from all of this in the good old days, perhaps too young to comprehend.

Was nice the wall came down, I was there a week before it did, where was you?

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Old 20th Jul 2014, 01:28
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What can the US do about Putin and his Merry Band of Thieves....read the link

How Russia would throw in the towel

Which has the added benefit of letting the Euros freeze in the dark contemplating their sins.

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The simple answer is the US doesn't really care about the NORKs or the Cubans and vice versa. We can ignore each other, but the US and the Russians couldn't. We should open up to Cuba, it has potential to be a nice vacation. Who, in their right mind, cares one hoot in Hell, about North Korea? Eventually, it'll implode.

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Old 20th Jul 2014, 01:47
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It is somewhat amusing to read that the conditions that lead to the fall of the Soviet Union were solely due to the actions of the US
Where'd you read that, Johnny?

Galaxy,

Cuba will ultimately implode, too. It's a Socialist dictatorship. And it will be a nice vacation. Can't wait to spend some Yankee dollars in Cuba Libre.
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