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Old 30th Jun 2014, 09:52
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 09:55
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Question Libertarian vs. liberal ?

Help me please to understand one thing. In my native language there is just one word for liberal/libertarian and while reading various issues about US politics it is rather confusing matter.

Who is liberal in US politics? Who is libertarian and how is it related to usual Democrat/Republican scene?

Is Obama liberal? Does the word LIBERAL have some leftist connotation?

Or is Ron Paul Libertarian?

Help me out of this mess, please.
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 09:58
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Don't worry, the way the US uses words compared to the rest of the world is different and confusing.

So you are not the only one.
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 13:53
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Help me please to understand one thing. In my native language there is just one word for liberal/libertarian and while reading various issues about US politics it is rather confusing matter.

Who is liberal in US politics? Who is libertarian and how is it related to usual Democrat/Republican scene?

Is Obama liberal? Does the word LIBERAL have some leftist connotation?

Or is Ron Paul Libertarian?

Help me out of this mess, please.
Democrats are considered liberal. I consider them to be lefties. Obama is socialist.

Yes, Ron Paul could be considered libertarian, however there is a Libretarian party and their leader is Johnson, somebody. RGB will be by later to promote.
 
Old 30th Jun 2014, 13:53
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The one-minute version:

Socialist/big government politics are called "liberal" (or more recently "progressive"). There are representatives of this ilk in both the Republican and Democratic parties, but more so in the latter. The thumbprint of this breed includes high tax rates and restricted freedoms, and a generous dole to many citizens (either in the form of direct support, or tax credits).

But the other side is the libertarian. Individual liberty is its beacon, aided by a limitation on government powers, and reduced taxes - a free market, with the choice to spend your own earnings rather than letting government spend it for you. There is a Libertarian Party, and Ron Paul has been its nominee for President in the past. But there is a lot of overlap with liberty-minded Republicans - some people wish there were more unanimity here. Note that "libertarian" is closer to the root meaning of "liberty", and that "liberals" are often IL-liberal.

The Tea Party is a recent (2009) phenomenon, essentially libertarian. They originally a had simple formula: Limited government, Individual liberty/responsibility, and free markets. But there are latter-day embellishments of 15 or more social issues (English language, immigration, etc.) that some splinter groups have adopted, somewhat backtracking from the original formula.

Discuss.
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 16:02
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The "Tea Party" actually is not a "Party" as compared to the two Conventional Political Parties.

It is a Grass Roots Movement of very loosely organized array of People who hold somewhat similar values.

The very basic "Set" of values would generally be defined as endorsing limited Federal Government powers, lower taxes, reduced Federal Spending, limited Federal involvement in everything from Business, Social Welfare, Education, and Environmental issues. The Constitution is seen to be the guiding Law re the Federal Government and that it should be limited to the Enumerated Powers with the States and Individual being the place where administration of government affairs should be controlled.

There are, as always happen, those who have tried to prosper financially from that ground swell movement and have formed "organizations" claiming to be "Tea Party Groups".

The actual "Tea Party" are grass roots organizations that operate at the local and state level.

One prime example is the Virginia Primary Election where Eric Cantor, the second most powerful member of the House of Representatives, lost to a "Tea Party" candidate who got no financial support from any of the "National" Tea Party Groups.

That proves all politics is local.

Win at the local level and you can win at the National Level over time.

That is something the GOP/RNC refuses to acknowledge in their War on the "Tea Party".
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 18:22
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The answers to my question seem promising. Thank you.

Btw. what is their stance regarding gun control?
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 18:38
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Obamacare set back, or

another loss for Obama.

The Supreme Court has ruled on the side of Hobby Lobby and against Obamacare.

AOL.com Article - Justices: Can't make employers cover contraception

The justices' 5-4 decision is the first time that the high court has ruled that profit-seeking businesses can hold religious views under federal law. And it means the Obama administration must search for a different way of providing free contraception to women who are covered under objecting companies' health insurance plans.
Sorry Barry.

Not really.
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 19:02
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Gun Control?

They support the Constitution which as you know includes the Second Amendment.

They see Government intrusion on Individual Rights as bad.

Thus, most would see disarming the Criminal the right way to go after the problem rather than dis-arming the Law Abiding.

That the Obama IRS targeted Tea Party and other Conservative Groups and Members of those groups, some Politicians, and some Candidates, then the People having Guns is seen as both a needed and good thing.
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 19:29
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To be fair, there are Democrats who are Second Amendment supporters and do not want further restrictions. They feel that the tens of thousands of existing laws are quite enough, especially since most of them are useless at best and highly intrusive and useless at worst.

There are Republicans *cough, Chris Christie, cough* who favor more government control over this fundamental and explicitly spelled out in the U.S. Constitution issue.

Most libertarians want the government to stick to only those functions and use those powers that are only spelled out in the Constitution. Gun ownership by legal U.S. citizens is therefore NOT Uncle Sam's concern
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 19:32
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That the Obama IRS targeted Tea Party and other Conservative Groups and Members of those groups, some Politicians, and some Candidates, then the People having Guns is seen as both a needed and good thing.
Don't you hate it when they use their power the wrong way.

Am still amazed he hasn't or someone hasn't been charged over all these things.

Fast and Furious being another !
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 00:58
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Am still amazed he hasn't or someone hasn't been charged over all these things.
Right now Obama is 12-0 with the Supreme Court.

If Obama was a Republican, there would screams for impeachment by the main stream media.


But instead, we see and hear the sound of crickets.







Sorry about leaving of "see and hear" ojut, but I had a few, just a few mind you, too many beers with my old chief pilot from the Marshal Service days. Old war stories are fun, until you add beer.



Which makes them GREAT!


Now on B&B.

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Old 1st Jul 2014, 02:52
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With Beer.....any kind of War Story is possible!
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 03:07
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And, usually, the teller of the tale is the Hero!

con-pilot: don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, either.


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Old 1st Jul 2014, 03:16
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Dude? GF, where you been man? Haven't seen you round these parts lately. Either that or I accidentally ignored you along with our resident NK Apologist.

......banned one person from this thread for 10 days.
9 more days of peace and quiet.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 03:53
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The 'Obama is a Muslim' lads are at it again, saying that he isn't wearing his wedding ring or watch because it's Ramadan, when Muslims are forbidden to wear jewellery. White House spokesman is said to have explained the absence of these two items by saying they are "in for repair", which will take a month. A month? You need a new jeweller, Barry. Oh... I get it... It will take a month. Until the new moon. Riiiiight. (What do you do to a wedding ring so that it requires repairs that will take a month?))

It will be interesting to see if there is any basis to the initial report or if it turns out to be a total beat up. Time will tell.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 05:04
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Like the Dude cannot afford a second watch.....say a G-Shock that costs $59 at most Walmarts? As to the Wedding Ring.....perhaps Wookie held hands with him while he was gawking at some Scandinoovian Female Head of State and it got sqwooshed when she sought to regain his attention?
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 05:06
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I can't find any reference to the Obama / Ring / Watch story.

Got a link ?
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 05:56
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500N,

I can't find any reference to the Obama / Ring / Watch story.
As 7x7 suggested....

......turns out to be a total beat up. Time will tell.
Probably like the last time it came up. I figure it's just another conspiracy theory.

snopes.com: Where Is Obama's Wedding Ring and Watch?

And to quote several prominent wack jobs (Clinton, Pelosi and Reid), used several times before, "What does it matter now?"
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 05:58
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Thanks, must concentrate a bit more when reading the post.

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