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Old 14th May 2020, 16:21
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Britannia Airways to Australia.

Yes, I took the Britannia flight when I went to Australia for 6 months before university in 1991. It was a great flight; I had wanted to go with a scheduled 'flag carrier' but I was really pleasantly surprised, and in any case going around the world at that age was so exciting. I remember getting a call a week before the flight to say that due to the Gulf War, the aircraft (indeed, a B767) would now be routed LTN-Mombasa-Bombay [as was] - SIN - ADE - MEL, but just a couple of days before the flight, I was informed it was going to go LTN-DXB-SIN-ADE-MEL. I remember the flight wasn't busy, and I had a whole row of seats to myself for the whole trip.
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Old 15th May 2020, 06:11
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Originally Posted by oxenos View Post
NA & NB also caused some problems when operated in passenger mode.. The freight door, its frame, and the freight floor all added to the basic weight. They had the basic wing, and -9 engines, which limited the max take off weight. If it was hot, no wind, high pressure altitude you would be severely limited on payload/fuel.
Did Luton - Ibiza in one on one occasion, and had to tech stop Gerona for fuel.
On another occasion, in Naples, the wind was such that take off into wind on the south west runway was a no-go due to obstacle limits, and take off to the north west with a tail wind ( the usual choice ) was out as the wind was too strong. We had even worked on going to Rome Ciampino, with Rome Fiumicino as alt., taking the passengers only, and having the bags sent by road, and it still wouldn't work. Ended up waiting for the wind to drop.

Is there a prize for Max Thread Drift?
Why not take the bags and send the pax by road?
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Old 15th May 2020, 07:30
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During and post Gulf War 1 the BY Oz flights stopped at DXB then SHJ then Abu Dhabi iso BAH and SIN slip was changed to Batam Island.

Flights were first from LTN but later many from LGW and some from MAN.

The 767-204ER had seats reduced from 290 to around 260

Oz destinations were many - SYD MEL CNS ADE PER and some others i think. You could get O/W for 99 sometimes at the end of the season.
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Old 15th May 2020, 09:40
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G-BYAA and G-BYAB. Best fun aircraft ever built, especially on an empty sector, if the derate was accidentally cancelled before T/O. The sound of all the galley carts and boxes being slammed hard onto the stops....
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Old 15th May 2020, 10:24
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The first year of Oz the gulf stop was Bahrain then Sharjah for a few years finally Abu Dhabi. During the first gulf war the flights went a very roundabout way via Kenya and Karachi to completely avoid the Middle East. Second stop was Singapore for the first few years thenBatam. Over the years I flew to Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney, Cairns and Alice Springs in Oz plus Auckland in NZ.
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Old 15th May 2020, 10:56
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Operated a few Oz flights ex LTN & LGW with Britannia in the '90s. Crew slips at Sharjah (later Abu Dhabi) and Singapore. Great fun! (My lawyer has advised against providing more detail.)

Some trips were more demanding, such as AUH to Perth direct, min rest, then operate the same aircraft back to AUH next morning. We referred to the trip as 'breakfast in Perth'.

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G-BYAA and G-BYAB. Best fun aircraft ever built, especially on an empty sector, if the derate was accidentally cancelled before T/O. The sound of all the galley carts and boxes being slammed hard onto the stops....
Britannia originally operated 'AA and 'AB for Air Aruba. We referred to them at 'GTs' due to their superior performance - greater engine thrust, reduced fuel consumption. When empty their rate of climb often surprised ATC (and sometimes the pilots flying them).

Sadly, here's how 'AA ended up:



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Old 16th May 2020, 10:10
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I'm certain I used to see 'Britannia' charter flights in OOL years ago.....I remember a female (?) figure holding a trident and a shield with the union jack on it on the tail ??
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Old 16th May 2020, 10:41
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Originally Posted by Fliegenmong View Post
I'm certain I used to see 'Britannia' charter flights in OOL years ago.....I remember a female (?) figure holding a trident and a shield with the union jack on it on the tail ??
Correct. My log book says I took G-BRIG OOL-CNS-SIN 01/04/1992.
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Old 17th May 2020, 11:21
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I remember being in Brisbane in probably 1996, and being surprised to see Britannia taxying in.

A number of their earlier 767-200s were actually sold in Australia/New Zealand, the Australian ones to Ansett, only a few years before they went under, whereupon they never worked again although only 15 years old or so. I did hear there were documentation issues with the former Ansett fleet after their bankruptcy. Britannia had only run them for about 10 years, some notably less, before selling them (in contrast to the 757s, which served a very full life with the airline). Were they somewhat poor performers ?
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Old 18th May 2020, 19:59
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I remember flying into Perth and the next day positioning to Melbourne with Ansett. Got on board the 767 and thought “this looks familiar!” It was an ex Britannia aircraft with an unchanged interior. Possibly GBKVZ or GBKPW but not sure. Flew many hours on both, wonderful times!
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Old 19th May 2020, 02:08
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Did Britannia ever do migrant (ten pound pom) flights from the UK to Melbourne in the late 60s?
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Old 19th May 2020, 06:47
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Did Britannia ever do migrant (ten pound pom) flights from the UK to Melbourne in the late 60s?
Don't know about Aussie but I am reasonably sure all the ten pounders who came to NZ arrived by ship. (cheaper)
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Old 19th May 2020, 09:57
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Originally Posted by Fark'n'ell View Post
Don't know about Aussie but I am reasonably sure all the ten pounders who came to NZ arrived by ship. (cheaper)
There were quite a range of flights as well to Australia, using a combination of charters and schedules. From London Qantas schedules were often used, as there were plenty of them, but from other European points such as Athens charters were more common, principally by UK operators as there was no charter capacity in Greece. There are a few Internet accounts of such trips if you look around - there was one here some years ago on AH&N which I can't find now, with a family photo showing just people coming down the steps, from which we managed to identify aircraft (Bristol Britannia) and eventually the operator and actual flight.

The Qantas passengers were often put on their oddball once-weekly 707 flight from Heathrow which routes via Nassau, Mexico and Tahiti, which often had the most spare seats. Must have made Australia seem a very long way away indeed !
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Old 19th May 2020, 12:09
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I think some pax on the BOAC 707 G-ARWE was 10 Poms.....seem to recall that in the news 1968
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Old 19th May 2020, 15:54
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Originally Posted by Fark'n'ell View Post
Don't know about Aussie but I am reasonably sure all the ten pounders who came to NZ arrived by ship. (cheaper)
I know someone on a 10 passage who most definitely flew. Couldn't say which airline though.
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Old 19th May 2020, 18:22
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
There were quite a range of flights as well to Australia, using a combination of charters and schedules. From London Qantas schedules were often used, as there were plenty of them, but from other European points such as Athens charters were more common, principally by UK operators as there was no charter capacity in Greece. There are a few Internet accounts of such trips if you look around - there was one here some years ago on AH&N which I can't find now, with a family photo showing just people coming down the steps, from which we managed to identify aircraft (Bristol Britannia) and eventually the operator and actual flight.
Found it, for those interested

BOAC London to Melbourne 1960
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Old 20th May 2020, 13:14
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Did the Britannias ever operate into Moorabbin in the late 60s?
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Old 20th May 2020, 15:30
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Unlikely - they would have used (Melbourne) Essendon before Tullamarine opened. Aside from runway length, you would need all the handling, fuelling, immigration/customs of a major port..
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