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Old 11th Nov 2010, 18:58
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If I thought they would be put into stocks so that I could throw ripe tomatoes at them and pinch their noses, I might travel to Europe again.
They won't.

So stay at home.
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Old 11th Nov 2010, 19:05
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I'll stay away, not at home. Win-win.

In fact, I'm looking forward to spending February in Australia.
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Old 11th Nov 2010, 22:26
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It was the Lib Dems who broke their "no fee" manifesto pledge so the intellectual elite decide to smash up the Tory HQ. Either the political science students amongst them hadn't done their homework or the geography students couldn't read a map.

Maybe the meedja studies wonkers thought it was a field trip

When more than 50% of school leavers go to university then those of below average intelligence get onto a degree course. Today, a non science / maths / engineering degree is the equivalent of a boy scout badge........ and not a very good one at that.
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Old 11th Nov 2010, 22:42
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Today, a non science / maths / engineering degree is the equivalent of a boy scout badge........
That may well be so. But if true, is it the poverty of standard required, and not the nature of the discipline, that makes for the badge equivalence?
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Old 11th Nov 2010, 23:15
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There would be a simple way of getting the brightest to take science / maths / engineering,make them fee free.
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Old 11th Nov 2010, 23:18
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As someone who is back at college after a 20 year layoff, I can tell you those were rabble rousers and not students on that demonstration. The real students were back in the university library playing the interactive multiplayer version of the demonstration on the computers.
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 08:15
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Time to dust off the Riot Act?
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 08:34
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It is actually slightly comforting to see an increased level of activism amongst British youth. Before the poll tax riots someone once said to me you could piss from high on the great British public and they would do nothing. The government will certainly have been given pause for thought by this riot (unfortunate as it was). Thought is not in itself a bad thing!

Maybe the next generation won't be as supine as the current one!
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 08:38
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Have to agree with Mechta, Would anyone elect to go on a peaceful protest not armed with hardware / offensive weapon?

Any respectable degree student would be at home sourcing reference material for their dissertation.
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 08:50
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I can only make a guess at the level of education some students are receiving, when I read stories like this......

Tuition fee protests: lecturers back 'magnificent' student rioters - Telegraph

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Old 12th Nov 2010, 09:15
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you have to consider that as the undergraduate population has grown, so have the "services" for undergrads also grown.....
so student landlords, teaching staff......with a drop in student numbers, they will not fare so well.
will there be less demand for real courses where the pay back for a graduate is obvious? I think not.
will there be a drop in student numbers doing useless courses?
for an example see
Top 10 Useless College Degrees & Classes | Top 10 Lists | TopTenz.net
I think so.

I would just note that a couple of these degrees are not actually so useless IMHO.....you can probably guess.
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 12:42
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"I accept that many degrees are useless from an employment point of view but nevertheless they do result in more rounded and useful individuals"

Do they? I would strongly suggest that someone with 3 years of work experience is a far more rounded and useful individual than someone with a degree that is useless for gaining employment.

As for the support of the violence emanating from some colleges and Labour MPs, well I am not going into a diatrabe of what I think of them. Well maybe just one word...scum.
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 12:52
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Students are a necessary evil.

University is about far more than "getting a job" and joining the rat race. For goodness sake it is about protesting, shagging, slacking and a million and one other fine dalliances. Emerging with a useful degree that may or may not... (it ain't a young person's market out there at the moment) get one reasonable employment is just a bonus.
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 12:54
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I don't agree with that at all. A degree taught at the level most of us understand to be degree standard I.e. not surf studies or media rubbish will confer on the student structured learning, cognitive reasoning & the ability to analyse, evaluate & synthesise information beyond a non educated peer in the majority of cases. Higher education is far more than the sum of it's parts when carried out properly.

Still, the world will always need ditch diggers, to quote Caddyshack.
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 12:55
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Or doing three years National Service,
I cannot believe the inanity of some of those subjects.
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 13:05
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I read there's even a degree course based around that Gaga creature.

Nuff said.
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 13:07
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Gaudeamus Igitur

Higher education is far more than the sum of it's parts when carried out properly.
University is about educating oneself in the the manner of rennaissance man (or woman). It goes well beyond being formed and moulded to fit the requirements of an arid British (or any other) economy. Ultimately those with wit and energy will emerge better people to do whatever they need to do and in most cases this will be good for the economy.

I was amused to see that the great physicist Richard Feynman was disgusted with his son because he studied philosophy and not a "practical" subject like physics. I suppose we should be glad that Mrs Hawking didn't see fit to ensure little Stephen did something useful like joining a bank or running a plastics mouldings factory.

A salute to all students out there, no matter how old!

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Old 12th Nov 2010, 13:12
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Much as I enjoy the thoughts of Mr. Hawking why do you believe that what he does is more important than somebody running a plastic mouldings factory?
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 13:15
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The universe is a big place.

I have nothing against plastics or moulding and amen to all those in that business but all in all I sense that Mr Hawking is onto something bigger than a plastic downpipe.
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Old 12th Nov 2010, 13:23
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There would be a simple way of getting the brightest to take science / maths / engineering,make them fee free.
Well said, Mr Draper! Make the useful/desirable degrees free or at least heavily subsidised by the taxpayer, thence on a sliding scale to ****ing expensive for all the airy fairy, namby pamby, tree-hugging, fluffist, willy-wanky, time-wasting, utterly pointless and useless courses that we are currently paying for.

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