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Mosque and Islamic Cultural Center - Ground Zero, NYC

Old 20th Aug 2010, 18:14
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You just couldn't make all this up! Happy weekend fellas.
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 14:28
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Finally!

At last, an effective Muslim spokesperson who speaks out against the mosque plans:

Miss USA Rima Fakih, first Muslim winner, speaks out against mosque near Ground Zero
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 14:48
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Thank you for that article. Here is the lady concerned.




Now if there was every anything that could make me convert to Islam...THIS IS IT!!!
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 14:56
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Spokesperson for Islam?

I don't think so.





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Old 21st Aug 2010, 15:06
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I think you take buggs post to seriously Sir!
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 15:34
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Apparently some have never been on the flights out of RUH to CDG where the Niqab-clad ladies shed their medieval garments and transform themselves into the free, lovely ladies that they want to be.
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Old 21st Aug 2010, 16:30
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I totally agree with President Obama with the statement on Constitutional rights of freedom of religion," Fakih told "Inside Edition."

"I also agree that it shouldn't be so close to the World Trade Center."
There's nothing like hedging your bets dear, she must be PPruner...
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 02:17
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And another astonishingly beautiful Muslim lady...

Emmanulle Shriqui

Photos of Emmanuelle Chriqui

Seems to me, the taming of the beast lies in the capable hands of their very beautiful women...
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Spokesperson for Islam?
If they had more spokespersons like that, then we in the west might be more understanding!
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 15:53
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Able to leap tall buildings at a single bound...

If you think about it, two blocks away in New York City means a place that is out of sight and some distance on foot from the very edge, even, of the little makeshift memorial to the New York victims of the 9/11 attacks.

If the straight line distance is 600 feet well then so be it but only Superman will be taking the direct route and only he, with his X-Ray Vision will be able to see the new "mosque" from the memorial, since a 13-story building is no big deal in the context of New York City. In reality you would have to take a bit of a stroll and really look for this proposed Islamic thing starting from the present memorial.

I wonder how many posting here have actually been to what we call Ground Zero? All this overheated rhetoric about something sacred makes me simply want to tell you to get real. Such a tragedy has this funny way of receding into the past, much as some try "to wave the bloody shirt," even this one. This is just something to be duly noted and remembered but not the sort of thing we need to wake up thinking about and then hold in the front of the mind all day long. Otherwise, how could we ever buy a Honda or a kumquat after what happened at Pearl Harbor? Well, after almost 70 years, Pearl Harbor is "history," more or less and, guess what, 9/11 is going the same way.

I was a bit disappointed to see the way Obama first spoke up so stoutly for the right to build the new center but then went into weasel mode the very next day to undercut his own previous statement, very like a politician.

If this thing is to be a provocation then there are going to be two elements to that: the provocation and then being provoked! If you are so simple that you walk around with your button stuck out, ready to be pushed, then you really are going to have a problem with this and you can be assured that you will have my very deepest sympathy over that. For the rest of us this is going to be just one more curious feature of the New York cityscape, something to look at if you want to seek it out or something stuck up a side street in lower Manhattan that can be safely ignored if you prefer to go look at the Statue of Liberty if you don't. Me, I know which one I would prefer to focus on but that might just be me.

Those of you who need to keep the indignation boiling run the risk of becoming some sort of pub bores, finally losing your audience unless you can come up with fresh ways of expressing your total upset with some people who got some money together to build something in New York City without asking you first if that suited you. Nobody ever built anything in the Big Apple before that was not some sort of affront to someone's sensibilities?

Is 9/11 totally unique, deserving of some sort of special protection? You know a lot of people got very, very worked up about the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire not so very long ago but let's have a show of hands to see how many of our on-line audience now have the slightest notion of what happened there. Hmm... I guess you need to go look that one up, yet it was the 9/11 of its day.

What, you think they should have had a poll? "How many feet away from the World Trade Center should we build our new Islamic complex?" Something like that? It is perfectly true that in many societies a similar thing with a Christian theme would have a cat's chance in Hell of being built but our society is different, much more tolerant and much more secular and if you really, really cannot live with that then perhaps a change of place is the way to go. "America, love it or leave it," when that can cut both ways.

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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 16:27
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Who sold them the land?
I think we should be told!
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I wonder how many posting here have actually been to what we call Ground Zero? All this overheated rhetoric about something sacred makes me simply want to tell you to get real. Too bad if you were there on the fatal day gawking at the bodies raining down, blood splashing all over your umbrella because you were too stupid to run away or whatever but any tragedy has this funny way of receding into the past, much as some try "to wave the bloody shirt," even this one. In the context of a country of hundreds of millions the loss of about three thousand is merely sad, not some gaping and eternal wound in the civic psyche, just something to be duly noted and remembered but not the sort of thing we need to wake up thinking about and then hold in the front of the mind all day long. Otherwise, how could we ever buy a Honda or a kumquat after what happened at Pearl Harbor? Well, after almost 70 years, Pearl Harbor is "history," more or less and, guess what, 9/11 is going the same way.
Of everything that has ever been written on PPRuNe, the paragraph above is possibly the most offensive ever, and that takes some beating.
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Somebody is impersonating chuks, and quite badly.

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whilst I appreciate that occurs, the post count is too high for an impersonator, and a check of the profile takes you through to the posts by 'chuks'. Frankly it is a disgusting piece of writing, and I hope you are correct and it is not from the American/Germanic chuk's that normally frequents PPRuNe.I have to say the style is the same.

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I just checked, and unless he has given his password away and educated them in his style, it is the same chuks.
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I meant my post to be tongue in cheek, I suspect no actual pre-emption.

It is perhaps the hardest road in writing, satire and cynicism. A fine line between vigor and vitriol.

H.L.Mencken was perhaps the best at it, though he received a good deal of hate mail.

Menck was German, and let go his patriotism late in the game, some said way too late.

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Better passion in writing than obedience and deodorant.
agreed!

Are you trying to tell me that you think this is passionate writing?

I wonder how many posting here have actually been to what we call Ground Zero? All this overheated rhetoric about something sacred makes me simply want to tell you to get real. Too bad if you were there on the fatal day gawking at the bodies raining down, blood splashing all over your umbrella because you were too stupid to run away or whatever but any tragedy has this funny way of receding into the past, much as some try "to wave the bloody shirt," even this one. In the context of a country of hundreds of millions the loss of about three thousand is merely sad, not some gaping and eternal wound in the civic psyche, just something to be duly noted
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It's mostly offal, hard to look at and worse to smell. It has a place, if it is the truth and real for the writer. It reflects only on him, and prose isn't bullets; I am disappointed more than angry. Consider his words challenge only my opinions, they are on board only until the picture gets a little more finely tuned.
 
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Thank you. I understand you.

'Disappointed' is a much harsher word than 'angry'
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 20:16
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Calling Mr Sobchak...

Well, you cannot please everyone! Or is this just a few people setting themselves up as arbiters of taste? Do you mean to say that you, personally, are offended or do you simply want to tell me that what I wrote is offensive, when those are two very different things?

I'll tell you what; I will edit out the stuff you so carefully highlighted in red, just to keep everyone here happy. (I had fresh lobster salad for lunch so that I am in a benevolent mood.) You still need to whine about it, leave it up as a highlighted quote.

I suppose it's that I just get a bit tired of people trying to keep this 9/11 thing up there at the top of The Hit Parade of Horrors for the New Millennium; that is really a perverse way of telling Osama bin Laden that he scored a home run, if you will, turning someone from the bush leagues into a Big Leaguer.

Not so long ago it really was Pearl Harbor, a "day of infamy" never to be forgotten. Well, not to step on any taste maven's corns with this one but it does seem to have faded away or at least been pushed to one side by our desire for shiny Japanese gadgets.

In much the same way, despite a lot of hot rhetoric about 9/11 the obvious, immediate, practical action to get justice for the victims, pulling in a whole lot of Saudis to find out who paid how much to whom to do what, went undone. I think we can take that for a very telling indicator of the real sentiment behind the event. After that telling failure to do the obvious all those flag decals and hoo-hah about building the WTC up again just to show our foes what we are made of... now this fuss about a so-called mosque just 600 feet from the very edge of a vast plot of land... it all comes across as just more of the same BS, or is that just me?
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