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CCW Laws......To those that don't know...Legally Packing Heat!

Old 2nd May 2010, 17:50
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CCW Laws......To those that don't know...Legally Packing Heat!

Just recently I had the opportunity to compare various state laws regarding the carrying of concealed firearms by law abiding citizens. What amazed me is the number of US States that now have a reciiprocity agreement whereby member states recognize other State's CCW Permits for visitors to other locales.

Alaska was the unique place....it does not have a CCW Permit system....there is no restriction of any kind re the carrying of firearms by its citizens.

I have elected to shift my residency to a different state as I pursue my retirement and have found it to be much more friendly a state in many regards including the CCW situation....but it does require one to be trained in the use of firearms and prove oneself to be a bonafide citizen of the state and free of a criminal background and both physically and mentally capable of using a firearm. (As it should!) but does not present bueacratical obstacles to the individual wishing to obtain the permission to carry a firearm for personal protection.

If one utilizes their fast track system.....one can be duly licensed within a week after the State performs all the necessary investigation to confirm your application data.

That is Freedom!

Got Freedom where you live?
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Old 2nd May 2010, 17:55
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USCCA is a great nonprofit organization.

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Old 2nd May 2010, 17:58
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Virginia is a friendly state. Unfortunately, the neighboring jurisdictions of Maryland and the District of Columbia, where the CCW permit might most be of use, are not and do not have reciprocity.
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Old 2nd May 2010, 18:45
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Count Vermont in as a "free" state despite its whacko politics. Back in the '30s , the State Supreme Court slapped down a gun control act in the state as unconstitutional under the 2nd Amendment and the subject was never brought up again.

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Old 2nd May 2010, 18:56
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Just because some kids dis me and bang on my windows I don't really want to shoot them - a light application of Maglite would surely suffice?
Just one small problem with that, from what I've read here posted by people who live in the UK, would not "a light application of Maglite " result with charges being brought against the person applying the application of said Maglite?
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Old 2nd May 2010, 19:05
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Does one really want to live in a place where it is necessary to have a firearm available at all times?
Ironically, research consistently shows that in the US at least, the places where having a firearm available is most restricted are the places where you most need them, Wash DC and Chicago, for example.

That violent crime would thrive most where weapons are frowned upon may seem counter-intuitive, but that's how it plays out here.
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Old 2nd May 2010, 20:06
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Basil,

It is now OK to come to SA. We have been rather effectively emasculated by legislation, so the need to carry firearms is now moot. Suggest you come after the soccer/football world cup as accommodation will be easier then.









PS, the bad guys still have all of theirs, though..............
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Got Freedom where you live?
Unfortunately not!
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Old 2nd May 2010, 20:29
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Basil old fella.....your choice to have naught is exercising your "freedom".

The government telling one "No!" would preclude one having that choice...that is the issue at hand, that being "do you have freedom where you live?"
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So when do you guys carry your concealed firearm? Do you strap the thing on every day - to go to the shops? - to buy milk? -to drop the kids off at school?

Or is it a "special occasion" thing. Under the dinner jacket when at the opera?
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Or is it a "special occasion" thing. Under the dinner jacket when at the opera?
Alas, I don't have the freedom to do so in DC which is the closes opera house. Also the highest crime rates and homicide statistics in the three jurisdicitons of Va, Md, or DC.

I tend to not go into DC after dark. Lafeyette Park, next door to the White House, is a very high crime area.

As to other times as to "when," it's the not knowing that keeps folks polite.

But it's even better to have the freedom to make the individual choice.

Wouldn't you agree?



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Old 2nd May 2010, 21:40
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But it's even better to have the freedom to make the individual choice.

Wouldn't you agree?
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So when you are down the shop, buying the milk, 9mm Beretta slapping your armpit, feeling 10 ft tall and ready for bear - how much time do you spend in a little daydream of the shop being held up, and you leaping out from behind the Oreo cookies to save the day?
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9mm Beretta slapping your armpit
Aw, what a cute little gun. All Euro 'n stuff...


I'm partial to the .45ACP and keep my collection of handguns, saving the .44 Magnum, to that caliber.

If the weapon is "slapping your armpit" you aren't doing it right.

And to remain on point, it is the fundamental right to carry or not that is importaint. I don't fault anyone for not doing so and I don't encourage or discourage for doing so.

And you?
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Old 2nd May 2010, 21:53
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I dislike guns but the USA has different attitudes, acceptance and laws and so it is nothing to do with me so my comments are curiosity and not criticism.

So for those of you who carry concealed weapons what is your reason for doing so?

If you were confronted by a thug pointing a gun at you in order to rob you what would you do, draw your gun or what?

If you did either get robbed or were, say, in a convenience store and a robbery took place in your presence what would you do?

Would you be prepared to shoot someone or risk a stray bullet hitting someone uninvolved?

My immediate reaction with thugs getting hurt or killed when committing crime is to think that is a good result but it doesn't alter the fact that taking a human life is a very profound thing and from books I have read written by special forces personnel a good many of them suffer psychological problems from the work and the suicide rate seems quite high so presumably shooting someone might come at a psycholgical cost.

As I stated I am genuinely curious not critical.
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Got rained on with his own .38

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I don't believe there should be any right for citizens to carry, or own, firearms.

In my experience the sensible citizens don't feel the need, so only those who get a quiver-on for details such as bore size and barrel length end up wanting them. In that group are a subset who pass the "qualification" but aren't suitable for gun ownership.
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I don't believe there should be any right for citizens to carry, or own, firearms.
Then you should be right at home now in the UK, right? Where the government decided who could be responsible or not.

Fortunately for me, there was a group of former Englishmen who thought differently several centuries ago.

To highlight the difference between your view and mine, I think you are capable of making your decision and I can respect whatever you decide.

You, apparently, would want to make my decision for me. Along with some seriously flawed, but amusing, long-distance physco-analysis.
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Old 2nd May 2010, 22:05
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Again folks....we are talking "choice" which connotes an ability to decide for one's self.

A definition of "Freedom" by one of our Founding Fathers:

Definition of Liberty and Freedom

Thomas Jefferson Defined it in the "Declaration of The Rights of Man and The Citizen" as: "Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law."
How many of you have that freedom....to make your own choices rather than having to live within the dictates of your government?

As to feeling "Ten Feet Tall".....perhaps not really but I can assure you Mssrs Smith and Wesson made men equal! No more the bigger and stronger taking advantage of the wee meek ones in Society when you have "them" in yer pocket.
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Old 2nd May 2010, 22:10
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So when you are down the shop, buying the milk, 9mm Beretta slapping your armpit, feeling 10 ft tall and ready for bear - how much time do you spend in a little daydream of the shop being held up, and you leaping out from behind the Oreo cookies to save the day?
I find this notion very interesting,just about all the Euro-zone friends displays similar attitude towards gun ownership.

I'm licensed for CCW and keep it in my glove compartment in my truck (yes,womenfolks are allowed to drive big trucks here),most of you may not realize but if I hit a deer, I am legally responsible to put them out of their misery humanely and they don't mean to take a baseball bat at it. Fines for leaving a site where an animal is injured and left to suffer is more than buying a pistol or a gun.

No,having a pistol handy does not make me feel like I'm 10 ft. tall,it just another tool like a simple kitchen knife which I can do more damage to anyone if need ever arises.
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Old 2nd May 2010, 22:13
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but it does require one to be trained in the use of firearms and prove oneself to be a bonafide citizen of the state and free of a criminal background and both physically and mentally capable of using a firearm.

I empathise with your urge to carry heat. If one has to qualify first though then that aint freedom.
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