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CCW Laws......To those that don't know...Legally Packing Heat!

Old 6th May 2010, 19:10
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An evening walk anywhere in Hartford is a possible death sentence. No one would undertake such a move, not if they wish to see the next day.

Shame too because from what I've been told, Hartford used to be a very nice city.

But I guess the same can be said for many of the other cities in the great state of CT.
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Old 6th May 2010, 19:13
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A little comment on US crime statistics.

Like it or not, somewhere around 60% of violent crime here is commited by 6% of the population. Outside of black males, hispanics in crime statistics are classified as "white". The MS-13 gang member with 15 murders behind him is a white guy.

If you break down the numbers, if the US had the same demographics as the UK, the USA would have a better crime rate. Of course we get into comparing reporting standards, so that exact comparison my be iffy.

No getting into "why and how" is something that happened over 400 years and subject for more endless PPRuNe threads.
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Old 6th May 2010, 19:30
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Some observations on the differences between SA and the Arizona. In SA your license was weapon specific. You had a license for one weapon only and that's what you carried. Also there was no distinction between concealed and unconcealed, if you had a licence you did whatever you wanted with the gun.
Not so, sir!
In SA you must cover the weapon while it is on your person. In other words, it must be under your clothing, a holster does not count either.
Under your t-shirt, jacket, shirt, whatever, but COVERED at all times.
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Old 7th May 2010, 04:36
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That may be the case now. It was not back when I lived there. Though I usually concealed it as a matter of course anyway.

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Old 7th May 2010, 05:37
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I wasn't advising a course of action for injured animals here. I was pointing out a statement made by someone justifying their handgun ownership, and (perhaps too subtly for some) pointing out that I considered their stated reasons for owning that handgun were somewhat spurious. To be frank - I think a trucker carrying a handgun in their cab didn't put it there for knocking off deer.
Sorry about the delayed respond Checkboard. My main reason for acquiring weapons is to defend my property since the nearest law enforcement is little over 40 miles away from my farm,even my nearest neighbour lives over 5 miles away . I don't have the luxury to ring the police station and hope they will arrive in time to deter an intruder.
We are generally very courteous land owners and try to help out lost bypassers during daylight yet I would not like having someone in my driveway or at my door after certain hours.

I also understand why people like to own handguns. They're sexy, they're empowering, they're dangerous - and the people owning them feel "dangerous".
Owning guns is not sexy or empowering or "dangerous" unless one is truly unstable to feel those sentiments.
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Old 7th May 2010, 05:46
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My main reason for acquiring weapons is to defend my property .
At night we just ensure that all the windows are closed and the doors are locked and we sleep snug as a bug in a rug every night of the week, not a weapon in sight.

Having travelled all over the US I had no idea just how feckin dangerous it is and will ensure in Sep when we head to Denver for another driving holiday that our first port of call is the gun store
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Old 7th May 2010, 11:01
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Having travelled all over the US I had no idea just how feckin dangerous it is and will ensure in Sep when we head to Denver for another driving holiday that our first port of call is the gun store
Now replace US with UK, Denver with Manchester, and tell me where I can purchase in Britain?

Again, the issue is individual choice, not government dictate.
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Old 7th May 2010, 12:34
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Now replace US with UK, Denver with Manchester, and tell me where I can purchase in Britain?

Again, the issue is individual choice, not government dictate.
Brick,

You can happily go to Manchester whenever you like and not need to be armed with anything more deadly than common sense. Over 2 million folk manage that on a daily basis with only a few gangsters owning illegal weapons in order to pop a cap in each other.

Sadly based on what you are telling me it seems it is unsafe for Mrs SFFP and I with our friends to be out and about as we drive from Denver to Yellowstone to Salt Lake and back to Denver.

I think I might just sign out 4 sets of body armour from my unit for this trip, whilst it will eat into our baggage allowance it would seem from what you guys are saying it would make sense
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Old 7th May 2010, 12:42
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I think I might just sign out 4 sets of body armour from my unit for this trip, whilst it will eat into our baggage allowance it would seem from what you guys are saying it would make sense
I think that your original idea of getting some side arms is a lot better than body armour. I think you may run afoul with the animal rights activists when they find out that you fed Kevlar to the bears and mountain lions.
 
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Seldomfit:

It isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be. You will be just fine in your travels without needing to be armed to the teeth.

Enjoy your vacation: Denver is a nice city.
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Old 7th May 2010, 15:03
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sffp, me thinks you intentionally avoid the issue.

It may be that
You can happily go to Manchester whenever you like and not need to be armed with anything more deadly than common sense.
but the fact is I cannot, if I were a British subject, legally go and purchase a handgun. Because the government said so.

As an American, I have the freedome to make my own choice.

That's the key to the thread.
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Old 7th May 2010, 16:33
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Brick,

You misunderstand me, you really do as I have never questioned your right to own a weapon. My confusion lies with why anyone would feel the need to carry one in public

I have travelled extensively in your magnificent country both with my Military role as a C130 Loadmaster and on vacation with my family. Last year we drove US 1 from San Diego to San Francisco via Yosemite, Denver and beyond this year, Route 66 next year with the rest of US 1 and New York to Miami to come.

If I could afford the Medical insurance we would retire in the States, probably in Florida, when I finish my military career in just over 2 years.

In all that time I have never met anyone who carried, maybe no one ever let on, but never met a single one to date, hence my confusion
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Old 7th May 2010, 16:49
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C130 going down the strip. Airborne daddy's gonna take a little trip.
Stand up, buckle up, shuffle to the door. Jump right out and count to four.

Sorry, seldom, I alway break out into cadence whenever I see C130, whether written or in the skies above.

Whoooa-ahhhhh.
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Old 7th May 2010, 16:55
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rg,

Done my fair share of despatching but not jumped myself, you just have to be mad to do that
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Old 7th May 2010, 16:56
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In all that time I have never met anyone who carried, maybe no one ever let on, but never met a single one to date, hence my confusion
Ok, fair enough. One could theorise that they didn't let on.

Or maybe we in the RWS just like guns (or the freedome to choose) and will answer up when the subject on PPRuNe arises.
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Old 7th May 2010, 18:07
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SFFP,

Don't worry...as long as you are a Legal Alien....you should be able to buy health insurance from the government plan......exchanges they are called now. If you are an Illegal Alien....just use any Emergency Room for all of your care from sniffles to heart failure and pay naught. It is fast becoming the American way under the current Regime.

As to knowing who is carrying.....that is what CCW is all about. The weapon is concealed and out of sight. Thus you could have been surrounded by gun toting law abiding Citizens and never knew it. That is the way it is supposed to be.

Think how the Mumbai attack might have turned out if the Terrorists would have encountered a number of armed Victims....what a surprise that would have been to them. Likewise....when insane folks run amok with guns or machetes....they find equally or better armed and trained folks prepared to defend themselves.

Your chance of encountering a gunman or be a victim of a gun crime is far worse than being struck by lightning....provided you use any kind of reasonable commonsense. Just as one seeks shelter during a thunderstorm...one should avoid dangerous neighborhoods.
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Old 7th May 2010, 18:12
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There's a point or two being missed here. The US is, from the perspective of most crime against the person, safer than the UK. If you're a tourist staying in reasonably nice locations (because why would you visit the horrible ones???), stopping on the interstate only at well-lit rest areas, not venturing to the Seven Eleven or Quicky Mart ("thank you, come again!") at 3am in the projects, the chances are you'll have a wonderful time and meet wonderfully friendly, helpful people along the way.

If you're a business owner, perhaps with a small industrial unit where the rent is cheap (good cost control), or if you travel by road for business and often stay in the first motel you come to, it isn't necessarily so simple. Even if you spend time in the great outdoors and your chosen recreation area is sometimes shared by those without respect for nature or the fellow man, you may sometimes prefer piece of mind that comes from not having to wait for the police if things go wrong. A small town may have just one peace officer. A great many people live in rural areas with no regular law enforcement presence. Your drive to and from work may take you through some high-crime areas, and maybe that's where your car breaks down or where you just need to stop for gas.

I've spent several months in the US, and been to some fairly grotty bars! I've only felt fear there a couple of times though. Getting lost in Washington DC, on the way to the beltway, and thus driving through a low-income, high-crime neighbourhood was one of them. The other was while staying in a motel in a small town in Virginia. The couple in the next room were having a loud argument and it sounded like the man intended to commit serious violence. Given that the walls were thin enough for me to hear him, I didn't call the police or front desk lest he hear me! I did fear the possibility of a bullet through the wall, and hunkered down lower than a snake's belly in a wheel rut for what didn't entirely count as sleep.

Regardless of the scenario, a CCW permit and the pistol/revolver to go with it is effectively an insurance policy. For each one of the, very few, cases where a CCW permit-holder actually fires his/her weapon in anger, there are probably 1000 cases, many unreported, in which a legally-armed citizen either draws their weapon and that alone ends a threat, or simply acts with sufficient confidence (in the knowledge that they can fight back) that the bad guys think better of bothering them further.

The real triumph of CCW is that the worst fears of the anti-gun crowd have not come to pass. There is no mass vigilantism going on. There have not been a mass of questionable shootings by CCW permit-holders. Armed crime has simply dropped in the jurisdictions which allow concealed carry. End of.

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Old 7th May 2010, 23:43
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"Gun Threads" like this always devolve into Brits trying to tell Americans they shouldn't be allowed to own guns, which is basically parroting what their own government has been telling the British peasantry for centuries. They've been restricting or banning the ownership of weapons since the days of swords and crossbows, and have never recognized an Individual's right to own one for whatever purpose they choose as long as it doesn't infringe on another's Individual Rights. Thus, they're reduced to inanities like telling mums and little sisters they'll just have to learn to defend themselves with a Maglite.

This whole question was answered in 1776, and again in 1812 when you didn't get it the first time.

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Old 7th May 2010, 23:57
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AMF:

They don't just lecture us on why we shouldn't own guns. If only.

There was once a time not too long ago when they were all high and mighty about how proper their elections were, and how massive social deficit spending was actually a sign of good governance.
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Old 8th May 2010, 00:00
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There was once a time not too long ago when they were all high and mighty about how proper their elections were, and how massive social deficit spending was actually a sign of good governance.
Guess I'm too uneducated.

I'm having a devil of a time labo(u)ring to decipher your Greek...
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