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CCW Laws......To those that don't know...Legally Packing Heat!

Old 4th May 2010, 12:33
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Mouse.....numerous studies show your concern over "bad" results from "bad" folks legally carrying guns is simply wrong. That is the purpose for the licensing programs in the various States.

The State of Tennessee found the majority of revocations came for discovering false information on applications particularly in regard of prior criminal convictions. At the time their program started the State Law implementing the process required the Permit be issued no later than ninety days after the application was filed. As in most things, the Federal Government (think FBI here) took longer than that to respond to the State's request for a record review and fingerprint check thus forcing the State to issue the permit prior to that reply.

The bogus applications were revoked and criminal charges for perjury were filed when appropriate.

The study also confirmed not one incident of an inappropriate use of the weapon.....and specifically not one "innocent bystander" being harmed during incidents where weapons were discharged.

The process works....and as every study has shown....the crime rate goes down where CCW permits are issued.

I worked as a Local and Federal Law Enforcement Officer for eight years total....and never fired a shot....and only "had" to draw my weapon one time. The one time I had to draw the weapon....the hostage, his family, the Perp, and I all went away un-hurt. Granted the Perp came within a drawn breathe of leaving this world....I am so glad he dropped the knife he had held to the child's throat as I had made the decision to shoot him in the head from Ten feet away and had taken up the slack on the trigger.

The sad fact of life anymore is there are evil folks in our society that do not value other's lives and will gladly harm others in the conduct of their crimes.

There are occasions when taking a life to save a life is the right thing to do whether you do so as a Police Officer or as a Citizen.
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Old 4th May 2010, 13:17
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...and as every study has shown....the crime rate goes down where CCW permits are issued.
"every study" ??

Ron's Log: "Concealed Carry" Laws and Homicide Rates

The crime rate has so many influences that extrapolating the influence of CCW laws is very difficult, however (from the quoted blog):

The graph is from page 18 of "Shooting Down the 'More Guns, Less Crime' Hypothesis" by Ian Ayres & John J. Donohue III, published in the Stanford Law Review. What it shows is a drop in the murder rate for ALL states between 1994 and 2000, regardless of their laws on carrying weapons. You will see, however, that from 1990 to 1993 the rate in the 8 states which adopted "Shall Issue" laws between 1977 and 1990 (which includes Florida) did drop while the rates in the other states (which include at least 4 states with "Shall Issue" laws) rose.
The best you could hope to prove (and I doubt you could do even that), in any case, is that a society with CCW laws has fewer violent crime incidents than a society with many guns, but no CCW law.
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Old 4th May 2010, 13:30
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What I would like to know is how many of the gun-toting, rootin'-tootin' cowboys advocating the right to carry and shoot whomever pisses them off know how to use said weapon.

Questions such as:

How often do you shoot at a range?

Do you know what to do in case of a misfire?

Do you know how to clear a jam?

Can you dissemble your weapon? In the dark?
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Old 4th May 2010, 13:48
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Can you dissemble your weapon? In the dark?
A question too far for most scenarios I can envision.

Besides, in that case, I'd go to my back-up weapon.
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RGB, how's your SUV?

2-3 times a month, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Next question.
 
Old 4th May 2010, 14:04
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What I would like to know is how many of the gun-toting, rootin'-tootin' cowboys advocating the right to carry and shoot whomever pisses them off know how to use said weapon.
If I ever meet one I'll ask him, Straw Man.
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Old 4th May 2010, 14:25
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I shoot twice a week when I'm home, mostly shotgun but some pistol--call it 200-300 rounds a week.

Yes, Yes, Yes, but probably not in the dark. I don't see a need to know or practice that; not infantry.

Recently, I don't know where, I read that the FBI stats show that about 1 in 1 billion firearms discharges in America are in criminal intent. That is 1 x 10 to -9--about the same standard as fail-safe in aircraft design.

To answer another CCW question--crimes committed by legal CCW permit holders are at a lower rate than crime committed by the police. CCW is NOT a danger to society.

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Old 4th May 2010, 14:26
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Dushan:

How's my SUV???? Eh????????????
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Old 4th May 2010, 15:06
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You didn´t bite the first time rgbrock,this is his second attempt at ´humorously´ asking you if you are the Times square car bomber.
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If that was Dushan's attempt at humoring me then I fail to see the humor, at all, in such an innuendo. Actually, to insinuate something like that is downright despicable.

You may not like, or agree, with my opinions but to infer something like that is rather pathological.
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Old 4th May 2010, 15:27
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Oh, please if a little levity never hurt anyone...
 
Old 4th May 2010, 15:37
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Now that I think about it,

- We were told the police were looking for a white male caught on camera

- The trail led to Connecticut

- We know that RGB traveled abroad recently

Good detective work, Dushan.

I'm relieved someone else was busted. I would have testified you were Ppruning at the time of the attempt if called upon, RGB.
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Traveling to St. Thomas, as in the United States Virgin Islands, is not traveling abroad.
Which is why my driver's license suffices to pass through customs.

I don't own an SUV, nor does the Mrs.

Many trails lead to Connecticut. Even parts of the Appalachian Trail. Which is the only good trail in this god-forsaken State.

I was not PPRuNe-ing at the time of the attempt. Instead I was killing terrorists. With my son. On his xbox 360. And it was lots of fun. Especially when blowing them up with a MetalStorm 3GL grenade launcher (When you absolutely, positively have to kill every motherf***er in the room Accept no substitute.)

And if you do the research on this handy little weapon you will find that the MetalStorm can launch 720 grenades per minute.

And if you can feed the MetalStorm fast enough you can thus kill 720 terrorists in one minute. (Think of what you can do in an hour!)

Which makes for a very unpleasant day for said terrorists!

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"Abroad" has a broad definition. So you weren't Ppruning? Hmmm.
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A broad? Broad? There are broads here at work, does that count? (Not really, as they're all ugly skanks. And fat too.)
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I was brought up in Rhodesia and when I was a kid there were no licences for fire arm yet we had what must have been the lowest rate of fire-arm involved crime in the world. The Rhodesian police were unarmed aand did not have to be. We were taught how to treat a fire arm and that it was a tool. When I was 9 years old I was shooting by myself with a .22.
None of my friends would abuse the use of a rifle or pistol . It was always treated with respect.
If people are brought up in this manner they have an inner awareness of the potential and it doesn't half cut down burglaries when they know theres a gun in the house and some-one who can use it. (And no tree-hugging di0gooder laws!!)
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Old 4th May 2010, 16:46
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Yet another US Gun Policy Hamsterwheel.

Reading some of these posts it would seem some of you guys are living in a country that has hardly changed from the wild wild west

Whilst I would never decry your right to bear arms from what almost all of you are saying you are not carrying them because it is your right, you are carrying them out of necessity, a big big difference me thinks...................

What some of you seem to advocate is

Good guy totes a gun because bad guy totes a gun.

Good guy and bad guy face each other down and fastest finger wins

That's why us folk who have never had our own wild wild west find the way you choose to live your lives so strange, a society where the good guy has to carry a firearm because the bad guy carries one..............how can that be good
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Old 4th May 2010, 16:49
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That's why us folk who have never had our own wild wild west find the way you choose to live your lives so strange, a society where the good guy has to carry a firearm because the bad guy carries one..............how can that be good
It is a lot better than a society where the bad guys carry guns/knives and the good guys are not allowed to.
 
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Um, Dushan, correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will) but Canada allows no such thing ie, carrying of weapons, no?
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sffp,

Whilst I would never decry your right to bear arms from what almost all of you are saying you are not carrying them because it is your right, you are carrying them out of necessity, a big big difference me thinks...................
For me, the larger issue is the fundamental right to not have the government interfere with my existance. In this case, as exemplified by it not being able to deny me the means for self-protection by its dictate.

That's why us folk who have never had our own wild wild west find the way you choose to live your lives so strange, a society where the good guy has to carry a firearm because the bad guy carries one..............how can that be good
As a practical matter, for me, it is not a necessity, but rather a bit of prudent insurance.
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