CCW Laws......To those that don't know...Legally Packing Heat!
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Good example of critical thinking, Mr SASless 
You read the article, I presume.
A quick wiki shows:
Apart from the fact the article is three years old, this is a report from the opposition party, lambasting the policies of the incumbent government.
Not a good source.
You read the article, I presume.
The fear of gun and knife crime affects people across Britain, not just those in inner-city communities, a poll for think tank Policy Exchange says.
Policy Exchange is a British conservative think tank based in London. The Daily Telegraph has described it as "the largest, but also the most influential think tank on the right". The New Statesman called it as David Cameron's 'favourite think tank', a view shared by the Political Editor of the Evening Standard, Joe Murphy, who referred to it as ‘the intellectual boot camp of the Tory modernisers’. Its alumni include Anthony Browne, one of London Mayor Boris Johnson’s policy directors, and a number of individuals identified by The Guardian as being the ‘thinkers behind fresh Tory policies’.
Not a good source.
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Why do you think you win? The argument? Or the gunfight?
The "source" of Sassy's BBC article was a right wing think tank in the UK which could hardly be cited as "fact". one of your number asked some UK subjects to explain it; we have.
You carry a gun in your State if you want to; I think it's a sad indictment on yout society that you feel you want/need to.
Cheers
Whirls
The "source" of Sassy's BBC article was a right wing think tank in the UK which could hardly be cited as "fact". one of your number asked some UK subjects to explain it; we have.
You carry a gun in your State if you want to; I think it's a sad indictment on yout society that you feel you want/need to.
Cheers
Whirls
Hardly Never Not Unwilling
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Arizona's fixin' to turn in some much improved numbers.
Ah, yes. The two youts.
Good point.
It is a sad society, but armed, lawful citizens tend to make it happier.
I think it's a sad indictment on yout society
Good point. It is a sad society, but armed, lawful citizens tend to make it happier.
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Originally Posted by Whirlygig
You carry a gun in your State if you want to; I think it's a sad indictment on yout society that you feel you want/need to.
Cheers
Whirls
Cheers
Whirls
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Is America a happier nation than the UK? Highly debatable.
There is only one reason to carry a firearm in public and it means you are prepared to use it against someone else.
Cheers
Whirls
There is only one reason to carry a firearm in public and it means you are prepared to use it against someone else.
Cheers
Whirls
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Who might richly deserve it! While it doesn't often make the news, Yanks use their personal carry firearms daily to stop criminals. Crime is actually receding here. We have a choice and, seemingly, the UK subject does not.
GF
GF
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Who might richly deserve it!
Nobody deserves to be shot.
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Whirls
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There are many who I think deserve to be shot.
I carry when I go to risky areas of the city for a number of reasons in addition to yours, Whirls. A couple of them are:
I don't want to be helpless to defend myself or other innocents.
I want to deter crime.
I want to assert my 2nd Amendment Constitutional right.
Societal dregs, violent criminals who think nothing of others' lives or property, never consider the grief they cause, work incessantly to make life miserable for others, should be resisted.
I carry when I go to risky areas of the city for a number of reasons in addition to yours, Whirls. A couple of them are:
I don't want to be helpless to defend myself or other innocents.
I want to deter crime.
I want to assert my 2nd Amendment Constitutional right.
Societal dregs, violent criminals who think nothing of others' lives or property, never consider the grief they cause, work incessantly to make life miserable for others, should be resisted.
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While I have a carry permit, I don't carry very frequently. Avoidance is a much better plan, however, anyone who tries to enter my home forcibly is deserving and will be dispatched forthwith and certainly, in my state, found to be a legal use of force. Egalitarian has nothing to do with it, my home is my castle and can be properly defended.
You are being held and raped, is use of deadly force, by you or another, unjustified then?
GF
You are being held and raped, is use of deadly force, by you or another, unjustified then?
GF
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This thread has now reached the "Brussels Sprouts Recipe" stage (hat tip to Con-Pilot). There are those who would rather live defenseless, trusting their government for protection and those who would rather stand on two legs and be responsible for their own defense and safety.
Everyone Else vs. the Yanks. So long
GF
Everyone Else vs. the Yanks. So long
GF
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Born and raised in Texas, home of all that lefties loathe. Circled the globe, ate foie gras and lovely cheese, drank good wine, chased a few ladies, saw many sights and chose to resettle in my home state.
I own a couple of shotguns. No handguns. My choice. Life is grand.
I own a couple of shotguns. No handguns. My choice. Life is grand.
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There is only one reason to carry a firearm in public and it means you are prepared to use it against someone else.
Fair Whirls.....very accurate statement! Remember, Evil can succeed if Good Men merely stand idle.
As the Quaker Farmer said to the Chicken Thief late one dark night as he confronted him with a loaded Twelve Gauge Double Barrel Shotgun...."Brother, I mean thou no harm.....but thy are standing where I am preparing to shoot!"
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SASless! That is shocking!
"Brother, I mean thee no harm but thou art standing where I intend to shoot!" Even a Quaker chicken farmer has a firmer grasp of Olde English grammar, with its thees (passive) and thous (active), than that!
Put down that shootin' iron and pick up that King James Bible to get with the program. More people have been killed by that Book than by your CH-47 gunship, even, so be careful, it's loaded! Yes, a sip of 40-rod and a thorough read of that book and you are "Cleared guns hot," ready to "Get some!"
I think we should have Bible control, not gun control, except that when Bibles are outlawed only outlaws will have Bibles. We could start by outlawing female literacy, perhaps, and then work up to this other stuff.
Woody Allen had a story about carrying around a gift bullet in his vest pocket, when, one day, a religious fanatic struck him a telling blow with a Bible. The blow was deflected by the bullet, so that "That bullet saved my life!" (Some American GIs in the Second World War really did have Bibles with steel inserts.)
Put down that shootin' iron and pick up that King James Bible to get with the program. More people have been killed by that Book than by your CH-47 gunship, even, so be careful, it's loaded! Yes, a sip of 40-rod and a thorough read of that book and you are "Cleared guns hot," ready to "Get some!"
I think we should have Bible control, not gun control, except that when Bibles are outlawed only outlaws will have Bibles. We could start by outlawing female literacy, perhaps, and then work up to this other stuff.
Woody Allen had a story about carrying around a gift bullet in his vest pocket, when, one day, a religious fanatic struck him a telling blow with a Bible. The blow was deflected by the bullet, so that "That bullet saved my life!" (Some American GIs in the Second World War really did have Bibles with steel inserts.)
Controversial, moi?
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SASless and other contributors fiercely defending their corner obviously have the intelligence (I think
) to carry a firearm wisely. What is really scary is that the people I wouldn't trust to drive a pushchair can also legally carry a concealed weapon.
I would also take a bet that very many of the people who carry a weaopn either on them or kept in a car have not really thought through the circumstances where they might use it or the consequences of doing so.
) to carry a firearm wisely. What is really scary is that the people I wouldn't trust to drive a pushchair can also legally carry a concealed weapon.I would also take a bet that very many of the people who carry a weaopn either on them or kept in a car have not really thought through the circumstances where they might use it or the consequences of doing so.
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I am happy with the UK gun laws and have no desire to own or use a gun, probably because that is the way it is in the UK and therefore the way i have been brought up. Now if some scrote was pointing a gun at me because he wanted to rob me or do me harm then perhaps i would wish i had one too.
The only time i have seen a gun raised in anger in a public place was the USA but i was far enough away for it to be more of a curiosity thing than a threat, nobody pulled a trigger..
The only time i have seen a gun raised in anger in a public place was the USA but i was far enough away for it to be more of a curiosity thing than a threat, nobody pulled a trigger..
