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CCW Laws......To those that don't know...Legally Packing Heat!

Old 9th May 2010, 00:58
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Oh checkboard...

seems things aren't quite as you think.

Utah Senator Bennett was just defeated in the GOP state convention despite

Yet that urging, and Bennett's endorsements by the National Rifle Association and former presidential candidate Mitt Romney, did little to stave off anger toward the Washington establishment from delegates.
US Sen. Bob Bennett ousted at Utah GOP convention - Yahoo! News

Could it be that you are wrong on other aspects regarding my country as well?

Just maybe?

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Old 9th May 2010, 02:56
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Americans are such a violent people!

More than 22,700 people have been killed in drug-related violence since Mexican President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against cartels shortly after taking office in December 2006.
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Old 9th May 2010, 13:43
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AMF quote; To describe cold-blooded murder/massacres as someone "using their fundamental right to carry arms" is a very sad and very weak misrepresentation.


wings folded Quote: But real and frequent.
Frequently repeating the mis representation doesn't make it true.

Persist in your your views. You are entitled to them.
Of course I am. And what I've read that was written by those who persisted in enumerating and including those views into our Constitution/Bill of Rights is far more intelligent and based on sound philosophy than the knee-jerk, unenlightened blather opposing it in so many of these threads on this subject.

When access to lethal weapons is limited, deaths deriving therefrom. is perforce limited.
When a law-abiding homeowner, shopkeeper, or mother using an ATM causes the death of an intruder, thief, or mugger/rapist....I'm not sad, and unlike you, don't bemoan the "gun death". Statistics from police records show that in something like 70% of incidents where weapons are brandished in self-defence, a shot isn't even fired and the criminal decides the crime isn't worth it, and the victim doesn't become a victim. I rather doubt the same can be said for a flashlight despite what the Maglite Heroes say.

But in the US, you have chosen your path.

Other countries have chosen different paths.
Stating the obvious.

Live happily with your chosen path.
We do, thanks very much. Why are others so obsessed with it?

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Old 9th May 2010, 17:14
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A house without a pistol is not a home
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Old 9th May 2010, 18:51
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That's a bit narrow minded, PA! A pump or semi-auto shotgun loaded with a decent defensive round will also ensure that the castle doctrine can be backed up. Just as long as what you have doesn't over-penetrate.
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Old 9th May 2010, 19:15
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"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States" (Noah Webster in 'An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution', 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56(New York, 1888))
I have no problems with the principle behind the argument expounded.

I do however have HUGE problems with the way it works in practice.

Back in 1888, as a private citizen I could own much the same weapon a a soldier of the government. Indeed, oftimes a better one.

Taxation has allowed the government to employ clever people to invent and manufacture even more capable weapons.

In theory, the constitution should allow me a Sqn of F22s and a silo of missiles. However, the government has allowed a divide to emerge and such weaponry - allowed I believe by the amendment referred to - is now illegal. The government has much bigger toys to play with and my power to withstand it and its depredations has now withered to nothing as I am left with weapons barely more capable than those available to my ancestors to 1888.
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Old 9th May 2010, 19:30
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Originally Posted by larssnowpharter View Post
In theory, the constitution should allow me a Sqn of F22s and a silo of missiles. However, the government has allowed a divide to emerge and such weaponry - allowed I believe by the amendment referred to - is now illegal. The government has much bigger toys to play with and my power to withstand it and its depredations has now withered to nothing as I am left with weapons barely more capable than those available to my ancestors to 1888.
As much as I would like to own my own private fleet of F22's....

I don't think they are necessary for the purpose, certainly here in the good 'ol US of A, where we have access to National Guard assets, with the suitably trained folk to go with them.

We get to protect ourselves, and any issue requiring any more hardware would no doubt be a state or multi-state issue, which I like to believe we would not get to, no matter how hard some of these idiot politicians try to divide.

For me it is much more a matter of personal defense, for which I have sufficient assets to employ, the exception being automatic fire, though the Falklands demonstrated fully auto doesn't always win the day.

I like the "mystery" alluded to by Brick and others in CCW, as a deterrant for muppets to not know if they might just choose the wrong person who wont be a victim.

The option, on occasions that I deem fit to carry, such as in the car on certain journeys, are when I want the option, without prior permission or transport rules, like unloaded in a lock box in the trunk, that make it pointless is another reason to support CCW.
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Old 9th May 2010, 21:21
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I don't know about you, but I definitely feel the hardware I have today is superior to that available in 1888. Herr Mauser's innovations between then and 1898 made all the difference in bolt-action rifles. Mr Browning made a few important contributions beginning around 1895 too...
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:04
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As much as I would like to own my own private fleet of F22's....



The option, on occasions that I deem fit to carry, such as in the car on certain journeys, are when I want the option, without prior permission or transport rules, like unloaded in a lock box in the trunk, that make it pointless is another reason to support CCW.
Trouble is here in Europe even on our worst day out we simply do not need a gun. As a 52 year old I cannot think of an occasion when that is likely to ever change.

If you guys have a real need to take guns out in public then you really do have to ask some deep and meaninful questions...........maybe Hollywood is painting an accurate picture
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:09
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If you guys have a real need to take guns out in public then you really do have to ask some deep and meaninful questions
It would seem that the concept of individual rights and freedom of choice, independent of a government, is one lost on Euros.

I fervantly hope I never "need" a gun.

I have, simply by being an American, the right to decide for myself if I want one or not. Not because the government says I can or cannot.

Every American has the freedom to make that individual choice.
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:12
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Trouble is here in Europe even on our worst day out we simply do not need a gun.
Bet there are a few Greek bankers who thought differently in their last seconds of life.
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:13
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Trouble is here in Europe even on our worst day out we simply do not need a gun. As a 52 year old I cannot think of an occasion when that is likely to ever change.
Really, then why do all the police in Europe carry weapons, including some countries where they carry machine guns? Except England of course.
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:20
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Every American has that choice? are you sure about that? hasn't your government put rules and regulations in place that limits the kind of people who are allowed to carry/own firearms? did you have any say in that? personally I agree with our American cousins on this whole argument. I would choose not to be armed but I would prefer that to be my choice and not one that was imposed on me by some politician.
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:26
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Trouble is here in Europe even on our worst day out we simply do not need a gun. As a 52 year old I cannot think of an occasion when that is likely to ever change.
Wow, so you're saying you've been around for 52 years and never noticed that women get raped in Europe? People beaten by thugs? Murdered for the money in their pocket?

I spend a lot of time in Europe and watch the news and read the papers. It must be a very different and very tiny Europe you're living in.
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:26
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Bet there are a few Greek bankers who thought differently in their last seconds of life.
I suspect when you re read this you will see just how silly that post was
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:31
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Wow, so you're saying you've been around for 52 years and never noticed that women get raped in Europe? People beaten by thugs? Murdered for the money in their pocket?

I spend a lot of time in Europe and watch the news and read the papers. It must be a very different and very tiny Europe you're living in.
Crikey, your right I had not spotted that. In fact lets give everyone over here a gun and that will put a complete stop to that sort of thing, afterall it's worked an absolute treat in the US as there is no rape, robbery, beatings etc over there................what is it Homer says DOH
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:36
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Oh for heaven's sake.................
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:44
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Every American has that choice? are you sure about that? hasn't your government put rules and regulations in place that limits the kind of people who are allowed to carry/own firearms?
Yes, every American citizen who has not forfeited his rights by being a convicted felon and/or is not mentally balanced has the right to own a gun.

Admittedly that there are some local and state governments that currently ban the ownership of handguns, however, there is a case going through the courts that will most likely be finally decided by the US Supreme Court to determine if such local and state laws are Constitutional.

The US Supreme Court has already ruled that the city of Washington D.C. did not have the right to ban private ownership of any type of weapon. However, Washington D.C. is not in a state, it is a US Federal City.
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Old 9th May 2010, 22:48
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I suspect when you re read this you will see just how silly that post was
Upon reflection, you are right.

Besides the Greek bankers, there's a few other groups/individuals who wish they'd had the means to defend themselves from someone illegally using a gun or other weapon on them.

Sorry to limit it to just a few dead Greek bankers.

You fail to address the concept of individual choice, personal freedom, and the lack thereof in your country.

You have bad guys doing bad things with illegal guns. Decent people who didn't do illegal things with their guns. Which one suffered at the hands of your government's arbitrary decisions regarding firearms?
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Old 9th May 2010, 23:03
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Seldom;

Trouble is here in Europe even on our worst day out we simply do not need a gun. As a 52 year old I cannot think of an occasion when that is likely to ever change.

If you guys have a real need to take guns out in public then you really do have to ask some deep and meaninful questions...........maybe Hollywood is painting an accurate picture
You are missing the entire point of this discussion. It is not about need, it is about the right of the common man/woman to own/carry a weapon if they chose to do so.

We in the United States have that right, you do not.

If that is fine for you to be banned by your government from owning or carrying a weapon it is fine with me. Your country, your laws. I'm not about to demand that you change your laws and I would like to expect the same courtesy from you.

Nor are your sophomoric, willy waving remarks appreciated.
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