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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 21:38
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One shall rephrase it then, every journalist talking head poliwonk I have seen interviewed on the news today said the rumour was common Knowledge among the chattering classes, I have no problem with how Mr Haig got his jollies,but he was betwixt rock and a hard place, the background noise must have become so loud he had to either deny it as he has done thereby making it common knowledge among the common folk as well,or come out, and if he wanted the Premiership,no matter how liberal we think the country is it will be many decades if ever before a openly gay man becomes PM in the UK, so he is buggad either way.
Like I have said twice already I liked Haig and feel genuinely sorry for the chap especially now the sharks are circling round,nowt gives the news media a bigger hard on than ruining somebody in public life.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 00:57
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The whole Hague thing is not, surprisingly, a gay/straight story.

What matters is that a senior member of the government, who is supposed to be an experienced and seasoned politician, thought it would be acceptable to put someone on the public payroll when:

1. he already has two special advisors
2. he is supported by one of the most competent parts of the civil service
3. he thought it wouldn't seem at least a little bit worthy of note that he had shared a room with him (note that I am not for a second implying anything other than basic room sharing here)
4. the person appointed seems to have little or no relevant experience

From a political point of view, either Mr Hague is naive, or he is unaware of how the media might view this 'job for the boy' episode, or he is hiding something. Any of these in my view means resignation.

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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 04:02
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My original information came from within the Westminster village,and it is from here that it leaks out to be spread like a virus around the dinner tables of the chattering classes.

My information came quite independently from three separate sources.One an MP,one a journalist not working there but with a brother who does,and the third a very high ranking Civil Servant,who incidentally told me about the Gordon Brown phone throwing a year before it appeared in the press.

It is sad but true that an MP today probably cannot have a secret private life.The assistant will have had previous liasons and the press will smoke them out with the bait of filthy lucre.I am convinced that by the end of the weekend Hague will be twisting in the wind.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 08:25
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I have nothing against gays and in fact have gay friends.
Hmm. And some of my best friends are black/jewish/muslim/whatever.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 11:51
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I don't give a damn whether Hague is Gay/Straight/Bi/Transgender/Metrosexual/Whatever.

I do care that this adviser appears to have no experience whatsoever in the role for which we pay him via taxes. If he IS Hague's boyfriend then it a serious matter that he should be found a job in this manner. If this is the case, then he should be fired forthwith and have no further career in public administration. Furthermore, it brings Hague's own judgement into question and he should consider his own position. At worst, he deserves a severe carpeting from the PM's office and the Cabinet Secretary.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 12:10
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I have nothing against gays and in fact have gay friends.What I find unacceptable however is that some people tolerate them...
that's a telling statement.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 18:30
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This is a more telling statement, Bruce

After all the brickbats aimed at Blair,Mandelson etc it doesn't go down well now the boot is on the other foot does it?
It says a lot, and does explain why EM is happy to say that "someone he knows" is spreading rumours about people. Also explains his viewpoint, as you pointed out, regarding some people's political views.

Could it possibly be that EM and his ilk are actually throwing dung around, in the hope that some sticks, to destabilise the new Government and to get rid of one of the greatest debaters the Coalition have, just because Labour lost? Also, and it isn't a big step to take, it's nice to have a diversion as Labour get ready to tear themselves apart over which Milliband to support..........

You don't need calculator to do the maths on this, it's the tactics the Left have used since Bliar took over after the death of John Smith. Nothing has changed.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 18:36
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I have some friends who are politicians! The shame....
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:31
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Well, oh red-tailed one, I think it was a great man who once said that anyone who expresses the desire to be a politician should be banned from the job


(Something close to wot Billy Connolly said anyway, without the expletives)
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Old 4th Sep 2010, 09:28
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Well I am not a Labour party member and in the last fifteen years have voted Labour,Tory,UKIP and once even for Arthur Scargill in the Euros because I had a spare vote and had no idea what to do with it.

I do feel however that Blair achieved quite a lot with the introduction of the minimum wage,which employers like myself were told would bankrupt us, although in my case when it came in I was already paying 50% above it. And while I am accused of being a homophobe I would contrast the New Labour record on gays with Clause28 pushed forward by a previous Tory administration.

Yes Hague is a good speaker,but not exceptional.I do have sympathy with his plight and would compare it to that of Michael Portillo fifteen years ago before he acknowledged his sexuality.Since he came out he has been a more relaxed and rounded personality,in my view he should have been leader.After all Ted Heath was and it's pretty obvious which side he batted for,although I accept that he possibly never left the pavilion to take his place at the crease.

I think it sad that men of his generation were unable to have the personal life they desired because of rules and laws.Out gays always seem more happy and well balanced than in ones.
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Old 4th Sep 2010, 09:40
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I'm not sure you are right about Michael Portillo. He admitted to one or two gay experiences when at university, but that hardly means he is an out, gay man. By the same token, I once drove a racing car, it doesn't make me Damon Hill...

I fail to see why you made the comment about Ted Heath either. Reading up on him, he seemed more asexual to me.

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Old 4th Sep 2010, 10:56
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Well that was actually my point about not leaving the pavilion.I am not sure whether asexual exists or not,certainly some do have low sex drives.It may be that Ted was asexual or he could have been gay but because of his background and age he found the whole idea of it abhorrent and repressed it.

I certainly get the impression that Maggie's dislike of him was that he wasn't a full red blooded male.I bet she fancied Alan Clark.
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and once even for Arthur Scargill in the Euros because I had a spare vote and had no idea what to do with it
wow. well aint that just using the democratic process to its full!


Out gays always seem more happy and well balanced than in ones
known many 'in the closet' gays to be able to compare ?

effluent man your alias is most appropriate.
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Old 4th Sep 2010, 11:18
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Old 4th Sep 2010, 11:21
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Maggie's dislike of him was that he wasn't a full red blooded male
Him sat in the House of Commons pouring scorn, bile and hatred of her and her government's every move probably had more to do with it...

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Old 4th Sep 2010, 11:43
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To answer the points raised: I thought that the point of democracy was to do what you wanted.How should I have voted then? I cast my vote where I knew it would make no difference and do no harm,maybe you would have preferred it had I voted BNP?

I have an old college friend who married in 1977.A couple of years back he told me that he was gay,and had been since as early as he could remember. I actually believe that he told me to see if I responded in any way.When I didn't but was obviously comfortable discussing it with him he told me a lot more,which isn't relevant or appropriate to this forum.This has clearly dogged him,his wife and family and I think had things been as they are now he would not have got married.

As regards Ted/Maggie their whole outlook was different.Ted was a one nation Tory in the Butler/MacMillan mould Maggie a radical populist who took the party downmarket.Could you have imagined Andy Coulson working for MacMilllan?
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Old 4th Sep 2010, 11:51
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Heard on a radio prog the other day that the British (and Irish) Lions normally share rooms when on tour ....

..... anyone going to accuse them?????
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Old 4th Sep 2010, 11:58
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Effluent Man, your friend's situation is more common than you might guess. It never fails to amaze me that homophobes don't make the connection with gay men and women marrying in order to conceal their sexuality, and their treatment of gay men and women...

Sad for all concerned, I agree.

TeeteringHead, at least one of them wouldn't mind a bit...

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Old 5th Sep 2010, 08:23
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Well, Effluent Man, methnks it's now tim for you to change your name here to Excrement Man as it is more suitable to the stuff you have been saying about Hague, especially the bit below

All in all the game is up.Max Clifford has him in his sights (C4 News tonight) and he is closing in for the kill. My prediction :Sunday AM When the papers will go nuclear.
Since the Mirror is merely rehashing things in the vain hope that some mud will stick (main story: Rooney and hookers), News of the Screws seems to be concentrating on the Pakistan cricket scandal (their site is down so I'm having to rely on BBC Breakfast reports and Google News), sod all about any hint of a "gay scandal" in any newspaper today.

In other words, sir, you are a bullsh****r. You have no evidence of anything, you are just spreading manure for the hell of it, you have accused 3 people of being homosexual whilst having no evidence (apart from "he looks like an Easy Jet steward") to back up your statements and you have now shown your true colours, you're nothing more than someone who is as much to debate as your biggest hero, Max Clifford, is to tact.

Go back under your bridge, you're not needed here
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 08:42
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Be patient...he's bought a little more time.Anyway your are wrong about Max Clifford being my greatest hero.That would be a tough choice between Alistair Campbell and Mandelson...steps back from explosion of stout party.Gove is on the box now,how appropriate that he was adopted by a fish merchant.
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