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Old 8th Oct 2018, 20:52
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In China all the refuse dumps have a little village by it were all the reclaimers live. Working with them on the streets are the equivalent of the rag 'n bone man of yesteryear. It is fairly true to say that if you want something recycled in China you just throw it out of the window. New items would come in recycled packaging where the previous contents were displayed all over the inside.
Anything has a value. When I replaced a oil sodden cooker hood in my rented flat I just shouted to one of them and negotiated how much he would buy the old one for. He gave me 20% of the new price.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 00:14
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post

The four day week ?...fundamentally, a vote winner, possibly this is where your concern lies ? along with being beneficial to the health and productive capabilities of those working it. Or would you prefer it if the working population returned to a 5.5 day working week and the condition of the Sabbath being their day of rest ? Plus less you forget, the Gov't, apart from the devious and appalling extension to the time they are now expected to work before women can become eligible for the State pension, the age for males is also incrementally increasing to the extent many will never be alive to enjoy retirement .....

https://www.ft.com/content/b926996a-...d-3823e4384287

I'm neither a statistican nor a mathematician, but I would have thought that either (a) impossible or (b) suicidal.

If you have 32 million people ' in work ' and then reducing output by 20%, it would need around 5 million additional ' in work ' people if the GDP isn't also going to reduce by 20%

So with just 1.5 million people ' out of work ' where will the other 3.5 million people come from ?

Or will all 32 million be required to actually be 25% more productive than they are now, every day and for the rest of their working lives ?

Perhaps Ms Abbott did the number crunching for this ' vote winner ' ?
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 00:49
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The Labour inspired Three day working weeks in the seventies ,were so far ahead of their time .
Kinda like a bad episode of Dr. Who
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 02:42
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Damned good idea. Several times I've spotted good/repairable stuff at the local "recycling" centre, only to be told that I wasn't allowed to recycle it.
You were probably intruding on the rights of the site workers to have first call on the good stuff. Perk of the job I suppose.

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Old 9th Oct 2018, 05:12
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You've left it a bit late to get cross with the 1993 government! - and it's not as if Labour didn't have thirteen years in which they could have changed it.
True Gerty, but, and there's usually an inconvenient "but " cast your mind back to those happy halcyon days of the Dave and Nick, or Nick and Dave....just for balance...show . In case those days are now but a distant and rosy eyed memory, here's a helpful reminder of events.....there's a certain irony to a certain piece of legislation that was overlooked really, but, no doubt this useful legislation will be among the first to be repealed in the not too distant future. The below is a quote by the way.to save anybody wondering from whence it came.

" October 2010 - revised changes
The commitment in the Coalition Agreement fell foul of EU equality laws which allowed the government to equalise state pension ages as late as April 2020 but would not allow further discrimination between men and women during that process. So in the Spending Review of October 2010 the plans were revised. Women's state pension age would now be raised more quickly to reach 65 in 2018 and then both men and women's pension age would rise to 66 by 2020. Critics pointed out that plan breached the Coalition Agreement promise of 'no sooner than...2020 for women'.

2011 - Pensions Bill sets out the planned changes
In February 2011 the detailed timetable for change was announced in the Pensions Bill 2011. Women's state pension age would rise to 65 by November 2018 and then men and women's pension age would rise together to reach 66 by 5 April 2020. Five million men and women would face a later state pension date. But while men would have to wait at most another year, 500,000 women would have to wait longer than a year. The wait for 300,000 would be 18 months or more and 33,000 would have to wait for two years.

Widespread protests and rebellions in Parliament - which the Government defeated - led to promises by the Secretary of State Iain Duncan-Smith to introduce some 'transitional' changes to help the most severely affected women. But the Pensions Bill went through almost all its stages in Parliament with no details of what the Government would actually do "
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 11:42
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On the question of reclaiming stuff from dumps, one of my oldest friends has an uncle who has spent his whole adult life scavenging off local tips. He is very wealthy, drives a Rolls Royce and is a great source for small quantities of building materials.

I hate going to the tip with mrs p as, left to her own devices, she would bring back more rubbish than we took down.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 18:58
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Or will all 32 million be required to actually be 25% more productive than they are now, every day and for the rest of their working lives ?
Wot you're missing is the proper JB right-wing outlook on life. You have to realise that the half of the population that works in the public sector does nothing at all all day long every day except drink tea, so the net result of them working a shorter week would simply be a lower tea bill.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 20:27
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Originally Posted by pulse1 View Post
...

I hate going to the tip with mrs p as, left to her own devices, she would bring back more rubbish than we took down.
Tell her to go easy on any perfume bottles that she finds!
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 20:28
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
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Perhaps Ms Abbott did the number crunching for this ' vote winner ' ?
Best comment on the topic!!!
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 06:09
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As Nat King Cole might have sung,......"Goodbye Arlene, goodbye Arlene, I'll dump on you in my dreams ".....you get the impression Treeza's grandiose extravaganza Festival will now be a minimalist affair in N.I albeit she won't be participating anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-plans-cartoon

And a very timely programme from the accursed BBC....the issues raised probably being tacitly approved of my many of the chums on here when it comes down to equality..... and women.

Thankfully, statistics prove we are all now living longer and who can doubt the value of statistics when it comes to informing the electorate as to why policies are being implemented.......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-pol...ension-changes

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Old 10th Oct 2018, 06:42
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Perhaps Ms Abbott did the number crunching for this ' vote winner ' ?
Apparently she is billed as the "headline" speaker at a conference in Nairobi.

Doesn't say much for the support acts.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 07:50
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Apparently she is billed as the "headline" speaker at a conference in Nairobi.

Doesn't say much for the support acts.
What conference is it? A mathematics conference??
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 10:43
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
, so the net result of them working a shorter week would simply be a lower tea bill.
Oh consequences. At least the tea lady won't be missed as her hours are cut and less power will be needed by the power workers who are also working fewer hours. But the tea mountain, the poor tea pickers out of work, the queues at Costa with tea bars closed . . .
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 10:55
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But they will have more time to sit at home and drink tea ... (without the interruption of 'work'!).
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 11:22
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I have a neighbour who works for a county council. He works from home - most of the time.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 13:57
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This may knock the final nail into Mrs May's coffin; I always suspected it would the cosying to the DUP would only end one way; badly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45806063

This could also prove to be the end of Brexit as we know it (or at least as the extremists want it to be) since defeating the budget would likely lead at minimum to the fall of TM, and if the Tories tried to install JR-M or BoJo into the PM's job there's a substantial number of Tories who wouldn't support that either.

Likeliest outcome would then be a general election, second likeliest anew referendum on the EU. It is impossible to tell in these fractious days which way either of those exercises in democracy would turn out, buty neither is going twork in favour of the average working person in the street.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 16:41
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and if the Tories tried to install JR-M or BoJo into the PM's job there's a substantial number of Tories who wouldn't support that either.
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas and Tory MPs won't vote to bring down a Tory government.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 17:03
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas and Tory MPs won't vote to bring down a Tory government.
There are exceptions to every rule and the current internal genocide is tangible evidence of this.......even if they don't, the electorate will because no matter how much they try and disguise matters, nemesis arrives in March next year....

You might also wish to note the ambivalence of a certain staunch supporter, one Penny Mordaunt ....from the Torygraph no less ! ..relax, chaps, the Guardian will be back soon.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...chequers-deal/
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 22:38
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“Current internal genocide..”. Are you talking about the Labour or Conservative party?
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 23:07
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“Current internal genocide..”. Are you talking about the Labour or Conservative party?
Applies equally to both.
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