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Old 25th Aug 2010, 20:42
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Actually it's not unreasonable to do impact assessments (some of them, anyway, I don't know about this one in particular). Too many laws and regulations have been passed without adequate consideration of who it's going to affect and how, leading to either tedious and messy patching it up later, or lasting injustice.
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Old 26th Aug 2010, 16:41
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My wife works for a Local authority. The office she is based at has been re-equipped with IT equipment three times in three years, each time after thieves cleared the lot overnight. The office is now being closed down and all the nearly new IT equipment has to be thrown away! Not reused elsewhere, not given to charity, but junked! That makes four times that the equipment has been wasted. The office was known to be insecure before the first loss, and nothing was done. And the junking is going on at several other sites, all of which were recently re-equipped. WTF! Presumably someone is covering their a*se by making sure that no suggestions of misappropriation can be made. You could not make it up.

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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 19:02
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William Hague

Probably the most accomplished Parliamentarian of recent years (certainly if measured by performances at the despatch box).

Has one of the biggest majorities of any sitting MP.

Has an exceptionally high approval rating among his constituents, including those who voted Labour.

Employs the good Yorkshire principle of not wasting brass when on the campaign trail, and shares a room with his aide, when some of his trough-swilling, expense-swindling colleagues were no doubt booking into luxury
suites.

And now the media pack led by that arch slimeball Max Clifford are "demanding" explanations of his behaviour.

Like many on here, I suspect, I have shared a room with another man on innumerable occasions, sometimes when I had no option (in the service) and on others for reasons of economy. What makes it any different that the Foreign Secretary should do it? One other thing - if a female politician shared a room with her female aide, would there be media speculation? I suspect not.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 19:07
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Yes, TTN, Hague is worth the respect he is given. Unlike the opposition who can't even have a straight and simple election for leader with up to 10 votes per person eligible to vote.....

Labour leadership voting fiasco: Party members have several votes thanks to bizarre rules | Mail Online
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 19:09
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Bad judgement at least ,the days are long gone when people like Morcame and Wise of Stan and Olly can share a bed without raising eyebrows, the innocent see no evil society disapeared long ago.
Tiz a shame because I also liked the man, but I doubt the media will let this go.

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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 20:00
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It has been a well known fact for many years now that Billy was Bi-sexual at least.It began with the judo sessions with Seb Coe and has continued through to this. Come off it chaps the young guy is quite clearly nine bobs worth.

The difference here is that Billy married Ffion to help his chances of getting the leadership.Dead man Walking after C4 news tonight.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 20:07
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Nice to see Bliar still hasn't changed, the truth is still a mystery to him.......

Doubts cast on Tony Blair's Princess Diana claims - Telegraph


PS. Who gives a donald about Hague's sexuality? It's his business, not ours.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 20:11
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Quite wrong.Had he come out,admitted it and lived life as a gay man I would agree.But to marry the woman to further his political career and then cheat on her with this young guy is beyond the pail.

If he would do that to his wife what would he do to the country? IMHO he is actually a bit of a Crispin.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 20:16
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All settled in your mind then, EM?
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 20:19
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Yes totally. Guilty as Charged.Watching the young lad walking behind him I thought he was an EasyJet steward.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 20:22
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Effluent Man

Since I do not get C4 (the TV channel) over here so did not see what they "reported", do explain where this, possibly, libellous allegation of yours has sprung up from?

After all, there was nothing on the C4 website to allude to what you are saying, nothing on any other real news site to back you up and only unsubstantiated rumours by those wishing to smear him (hmmm, which type of person would do that...).

So, come on, links to REAL news sites (not blogs where someone is giving himself a 5-knuckle shuffle as he thinks about the Mekong being bi/gay) backing up your allegations about him being a queer, him marrying purely for a shot at leading the party (despite him getting married some months AFTER he took over as leader of the Tories, he was Leader of the Opposition in JUNE 97 and married in DECEMBER of that year!!!) and him actually cheating on his wife in the manner you claim.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 20:37
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Well,since you mention libel I will take up your challenge.Under English Law the tort of Libel could bring extremely large damages to a party suffering from it,especially where the reputation of that party is damaged.

Now it is hard to imagine a situation where more damage could be caused than to William Hague and consequently the damages would be massive.So the remedy is clear.William Hague should sue those making these libellous claims.The problem for him here is that firstly the person making the claims is Max Clifford who is probably considerably richer than he is.Secondly,and more crucially this would lead to a court case where the researcher amongst others would be required to give evidence under oath with all the consequences that would stem from not telling the truth.

The lad doesn't look like someone who could carry it off to me and no doubt William wants to protect him.All in all the game is up.Max Clifford has him in his sights (C4 News tonight) and he is closing in for the kill. My prediction :Sunday AM When the papers will go nuclear.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 20:51
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YOU are the one who made the claims on this forum, that means YOUR comments are potentially libellous.

Now, again, what actual evidence do YOU have to justify YOUR claims that he is gay/bi, got married 6 months after being elected Leader of the party so it would help his chances of being elected leader (that one still gets me, do explain that one a bit more for us all) and that he is cheating on his wife with another man? After all, these are YOUR allegations on this very website, not anything quoted from Max Clifford. Also, after finding the C4 report, I see nothing in it to PROVE your allegations.

So, put up or shut up. Give us PROOF of your allegations, and nothing to do with Clifford either as YOU are the one who stated

It has been a well known fact for many years now that Billy was Bi-sexual at least.It began with the judo sessions with Seb Coe and has continued through to this. Come off it chaps the young guy is quite clearly nine bobs worth.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 20:52
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Trouble is where politicians are concerned where there is smoke there tends to actually be fire,how many denials have we heard from how many politicians over the years that turned out to be a tissue of lies as they are fond of saying in court,small wonder we are a tad cynical.
As said I liked Haig,and as one has oft thought had the chap had a full head of hair he might well be our PM today,I no longer buy newspapes and seldom read blogs and live in the Nothern wastes I had heard no hint of this but if what they say is true it was common knowledge amongst the chattering classes of Londinium,as was the Mandleson creatures sexuality,it was just we common folk that were not supposed to know.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 20:58
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Well Hague can sue me then,I would still doubt that the limp wristed young laddie would wish to give evidence on his behalf.It beggars belief that someone with a second class degree in stone age pottery would want to throw away a 30k a year job.As regards Hague's marriage yes my recall was faulty it was the need to be elected PM not party leader that required the loyal wife.

The point I made still stands.If he is telling the truth he will sue.I feel however that by the time the Sunday beef is carved he will be an Ex Foreign Secretary.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 21:03
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If the papers have got Hague nailed, expect an announcement from him tomorrow.


Always on the Friday does the paper let the mark know the presses are rolling on the Saturday.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 21:06
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Well, Tony, it can't have been that much "common knowledge" since it's taken them how many years to actually find something that could MAYBE suggest he's in the closet with various blokes.

Let's face it, one swallow does not make a summer and one incidence of Hague sharing a room (or a 2 bedroom apartment, according to that piece of slime Clifford. I found the C4 news report online and it gave no evidence to back up Clifford's rantings) does not make him an iron. After all, especially with the muck throwing that Labour used to rejoice in, why has NOTHING come to the surface in all the years since Hague was a prominent politician? That's why I say it's all scurrilous rumour, designed to unsettle the government, by some persons who have political motives of their own. If there was truth in the rumours allegedly circulating on the moonbats-with-tinfoil-helmets blogs then it would have been picked up some time ago, investigations by the media would have been done, Clifford would have opened his gob, etc.

Hell, how many of us have shared tents, rooms, etc with other men? Does that mean we're all woofters?


Oh, EM. Still waiting to see how marrying someone 6 months after being elected leader increases your chances of being elected leader.... Guess I'll have a long wait.....


Edit: Ahhh, now it's to increase the chances of being elected PM. So how did that improve the chances when he got married a mere SEVEN MONTHS after an election and several years before the next one? Keep digging the hole, mate, you'll reach China eventually
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 21:15
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Give it 72 hours .We will see who is right.Of course Billy Boy might just be fed up with international politics and hankering to go back to being a 15 pint a day drayman.After all the brickbats aimed at Blair,Mandelson etc it doesn't go down well now the boot is on the other foot does it?
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 21:19
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Limp-wristed?, nine bob's worth?, Easy Jet Steward?

Do I detect a whiff of homophobia in your posts Effluent Man (what an appropriate name) .

Mind you it seems to be pretty acceptable on JB, more's the pity. Try typing in n****r and see how long the mods let it stand - pity your own form of prejudice wasn't taken just as seriously
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 21:25
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I have nothing against gays and in fact have gay friends.What I find unacceptable however is that some people tolerate them when the politics suits their view of the world and not when they don't.That to me seems like double standards.Of course it is why they are desperately trying to pretend that he isn't gay.
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