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Old 4th Sep 2018, 11:16
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Back to school, UK-style:

The Guardian readerís guide to making sure your child doesnít fit in at school
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 13:33
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
That's a spiffing spoof you've unearthed there...unless, of course, it's the basis for your daily reading which is quite possible actually if you don't mind me suggesting as much. .

At first, I thought it was about the public school sector, what with the dress code and meals but then I saw I got a mention albeit from many years ago when I asked why did the British have concentration camps in South Africa when we were being ostensibly educated, well more like force fed to keep on topic, regarding how wonderful the Empire was.....this question was not, as they say, "well received ".

However, despite the JB affinity for dwelling in the past, here's a more realistic assessment of school meals, and feeding children......

https://www.theguardian.com/voluntar...e-school-meals
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 18:04
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
from many years ago when I asked why did the British have concentration camps in South Africa when we were being ostensibly educated, well more like force fed to keep on topic, regarding how wonderful the Empire was.....this question was not, as they say, "well received ".
You know I always enjoy reading your posts, but I have to ask why, with your clear social conscience superiority, why on earth you joined the RAF. Surely being a CND campaigner would have fitted your mindset more naturally. Also, as I'm pretty certain we're near contemporaries, I don't recall much in the way of Jingoistic Empire teaching, certainly at my school. Perhaps you're imagining past glories as a pubescent Wolfie Smifff?

BTW another Guardian piece written by a lobbyist. Journalism at its best or more BS from KnC?
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 18:32
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Does the country actually care? I imagine that some Jews care but the country as a whole? Is it the media, or certainly parts of it, using it was a club with which to smite Jeremy?

As Labour is being labelled anti-Semitic is it really just reflecting the views of its membership? I realise this paints a lot of innocent voters as anti-Semitic, but if you espouse Labour you have to vote Labour or you get Tory by default.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 07:25
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Does the country actually care? I imagine that some Jews care but the country as a whole? Is it the media, or certainly parts of it, using it was a club with which to smite Jeremy?
This is why everyone should care when one minority is attacked?

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me

It does not mater if that minority is Jewish, Muslim, coloured, asian or LGBT. We must all stand up against this hate speech or the consequences are far worse if we do not learn from the lessons of history we will end up repeating them.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 07:41
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I believe you're right, it's a non-issue for most Labour voters. The whole argument has been fueled by segments of the Labour membership - the ones that demonstrate carrying placards labelled "Socialist Worker" who really ought to have no part in the Labour Party; and on the other side by the Zionist extremists who we all saw wrapped in the Israeli flag demonstrating outside the Labour meeting yesterday. Nothing that the Labour party do to to lance the antisemitism boil is going to work in the eyes of the latter, and I'm sure you don't have to look too far into the background and backers of our press barons to find Zionists at work. At the same time, it's clear that Jeremy Corbyn is doing what he did over the Brexit referendum - saying he supports one position (remain) when clearly his heart wasn't in it. Same, I fear, apples over accepting the IHRA definition of antisemitism.

I actually wonder how the actual "Jew on the street" really thinks about antisemitism, in Labour, for for that matter in the country as a whole. Personally, unless they are at the more fundamentalist end of the religious spectrum, a bit like with other religious groups, I can't identify a Jew walking down the street, in the same way I can't a Protestant from a Catholic, or a Muslim, from a Hindu, from a Sikh. So if you integrate into society you're at little or no risk of discrimination. If you choose to dress or behave in certain ways then you leave yourself open to bigots who live in all segments of our society, and across all political parties; and none. It's not pleasant, and it's not right but it's a fact.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 08:03
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Scr, should but don't, and therein may be the issue. Keeping it at the top of the media agenda however is not necessarily as evidenced by compassion fatigue with charity appeals on TV.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 08:18
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I believe two of the main examples of antisemitism are using Zionism a synonym for Judaism, and suggesting British Jewish citizens have some higher allegiance above the state.....

Zionist extremists who we all saw wrapped in the Israeli flag demonstrating outside the Labour meeting yesterday.........and I'm sure you don't have to look too far into the background and backers of our press barons to find Zionists at work.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 08:19
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From Politico (London Playbook).....

SCOOP — PM statement: Theresa May will make an oral statement in the Commons immediately after Prime Minister’s Questions this afternoon, Playbook hears. Nobody in government will say anything more about it, which usually means it’s a security matter — and a fairly serious one at that. Your guess is as good as mine.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 08:44
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
I believe two of the main examples of antisemitism are using Zionism a synonym for Judaism, and suggesting British Jewish citizens have some higher allegiance above the state.....

Possibly, but not in my eyes. Jews I have absolutely no problem with, they like I am entitled to their religion. Similarly I have no problem with the beliefs of other faiths. I object when any particular faith tries to impose their beliefs and traditions on to another - and that absolutely includes Christian missionaries. When I take an anti Israel position I am being anti Zionist, not anti Jews or their religion. I may well, and do, disagree with the Vatican, but I'm certainly not anti Catholic.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 08:46
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
From Politico (London Playbook).....

SCOOP ó PM statement: Theresa May will make an oral statement in the Commons immediately after Prime Ministerís Questions this afternoon, Playbook hears. Nobody in government will say anything more about it, which usually means itís a security matter ó and a fairly serious one at that. Your guess is as good as mine.
Probably announcing she's putting a hold on Art 50!! Nigel Farage said a few weeks ago he fears she'd do just that in September. Or, of course that she's resigning and calling a general election. She has been on a walking holiday in August!
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 10:11
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Probably announcing she's putting a hold on Art 50!! Nigel Farage said a few weeks ago he fears she'd do just that in September. Or, of course that she's resigning and calling a general election. She has been on a walking holiday in August!
Hope springs eternal she will resign .....and / or call an election. However, you missed out her 3 day all inclusive tax payers funded mini-break tour as well as her Mary Poppins impersonation .
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 10:17
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
From Politico (London Playbook).....

SCOOP ó PM statement: Theresa May will make an oral statement in the Commons immediately after Prime Ministerís Questions this afternoon, Playbook hears. Nobody in government will say anything more about it, which usually means itís a security matter ó and a fairly serious one at that. Your guess is as good as mine.
Probably Salisbury and those damn Russians.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 10:21
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Probably Salisbury and those damn Russians.
Yes. It is.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 14:36
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ORAC,

Now this is what you call a real scoop.....

Of course, we have all been solemnly assured we are on track. albeit a compass swing may help here along with a complete degaussing,, and that a new dawn is just around the corner.....March next year to be more precise, but, that's the Civil Service for you in the minds of many on here I suppose, just frittering time and tax payers money away on some hypothetical exercise ........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45410344

Meanwhile, gone, but not quite forgotten, enter UKIP. Presumably the annual conference will be held in a suitable venue such as a shelter on Morecambe sea front prom ( bring yer own crisps for refreshment ) or similar desolate locations around the UK's shores and this NEC vote will between the left and right hand of the attending ,member......however, it's nice to see them reaffirming old alliances and extending the hand of friendship to a fellow patriot desperately in need of such.....with his expertise we could be looking at the next leader here !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-joining-party

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Old 6th Sep 2018, 19:01
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Does anybody know what he is on about?

Or, better still, does anybody know what he's on?


Today's reporting: I thought that Sky's coverage of the UN Security Council was better than the BBC's, the BBC just seemed to wnt to her their own voices when somebody important in the UN was going to have their say.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 19:11
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I used to like KnCs interventions but now they are becoming meaningless. Pity
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 21:38
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Trossie: I don't know which BBC you are talking about. I watched a few of the speeches, (including the shambolic presentation by the UK ambassador!) live on BBC news.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 06:18
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
Does anybody know what he is on about?

Or, better still, does anybody know what he's on?


Today's reporting: I thought that Sky's coverage of the UN Security Council was better than the BBC's, the BBC just seemed to wnt to her their own voices when somebody important in the UN was going to have their say.
To save you wondering even more, I'm on something called reality with both feet on planet Earth......in contrast to the JB Wisteria avenue residences of many on here.

However, when it comes to being as sharp as a marble, can you make the correlation here ?..... or indeed another JB favourite, the "right person for the job ", here's somebody who clearly sets new heights for both these terms and for whom a career in the current Gov't was clearly her destiny. . Who would have guessed her amazing insight regarding N.I. politics !......there again, she's probably still trying to remember where Leek is in relation to Westminster

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...irish-politics
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 09:29
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To save you wondering even more, I'm on something called reality with both feet on planet Earth......in contrast to the JB Wisteria avenue residences of many on here.
Plonker. But I suspect it's all tongue-in-cheek wind-up!
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