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Old 29th Aug 2018, 08:03
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I have some news for her, she has always been unwelcome in her constituency of Liverpool Wavertree. I have family living in that constituency and I have never heard a good word about her from anyone in the area.
Nobody likes her but in two elections she has garnered nearly 70% of the vote. You move in strange circles!
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 08:17
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Siti, because most people vote for the party not the person most of the time.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 08:20
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https://www.westmonster.com/brexitee...ks-membership/

Brexiteer Tory MPs fury at party blocking Arron Banks membership

Conservative MPs have expressed their frustration with the party for blocking the membership of Arron Banks.

Tory MP Daniel Kawczynski said on Twitter: “We have accepted former Labour and Lib Dem councillors and even MPs who campaigned against us in past so what’s the difference? We must have a transparent policy on this issue. Am raising with Chairman of 1922 Committee.”


According to Telegraph Brexit Editor
other Tory MPs are also complaining to the head of the 1922 committee,

Theresa May claimed the reason behind his membership being rejected was “because he’s someone who campaigned against the Conservative Party.” However the Tories have accepted many ex-UKIP members before, for example when 7 UKIP councillors defected to the Conservatives last year........



Graham Brady.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 09:03
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Thanks Pontius. The reason for her being voted in is because the people of that constituency would rather go in for a post of self-immolation than vote Tory. They want to vote Labour and their choice is Berger or Berger. The 70% of the vote reflects the strength of the dislike of the Tories.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 09:24
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Jonathan Sacks needs to wind his neck in. The comments were, at best, a result of his being ill informed or, at worst, a deliberate attack on Corbyn as part of a campaign to get rid of Corbyn, regardless of what lies, fables or downright distortions need to be deployed.
I have noticed over the last week comments from Luciana Berger, telling us how she feels unwelcome. I have some news for her, she has always been unwelcome in her constituency of Liverpool Wavertree. I have family living in that constituency and I have never heard a good word about her from anyone in the area. And it has nothing to do with her religion, it is to do with how she got there. "Parachuted in" is a phrase often used.
The (justified) backlash against Corbyn and antisemitism has been hijacked by British Zionists who see an opportunity to push the Labour party, and the general public agenda in UK towards a situation where criticising Israeli policies must be construed as antisemetic and therefore unacceptable. It's a clever campaign that it appears, certainly through the good offices of parts of the UK media to be succeeding, with Corbyn being little more than collateral damage in the scheme of things from their perspective.

If Corbyn had woken up to his / Labour's shortcoming from an antisemitic standpoint months ago then this may not have happened.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 09:40
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KelvinD,

What a shame that Rabbi Sacks isn’t a member of the Labour Party- then you could hit him with a fine for a “vexatious complaint” and suspend him from the party!!

ATNotts,

Ah! Those infamous “British Zionists” and “parts of the UK media”. Wonder who funds them - nudge, nudge.

Still, I am sure you can both find somewhere to crowd fund Jeremy to sue Julia Hartley-Brewer for such a, surely, libellous accusation.

Meanwhile, here’s a shovel, just keep digging whilst I get some popcorn and sit back and watch.......
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 09:56
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
KelvinD,

What a shame that Rabbi Sacks isn’t a member of the Labour Party- then you could hit him with a fine for a “vexatious complaint” and suspend him from the party!!

ATNotts,

Ah! Those infamous “British Zionists” and “parts of the UK media”. Wonder who funds them - nudge, nudge.

Still, I am sure you can both find somewhere to crowd fund Jeremy to sue Julia Hartley-Brewer for such a, surely, libellous accusation.

Meanwhile, here’s a shovel, just keep digging whilst I get some popcorn and sit back and watch.......
So in your opinion there is no difference between antisemitism and anti Zionism? What Corbyn said 5 years ago was aimed at Zionists, not the Jewish community generally, and rings true of any group of of any hue fanatics in so far as they simply fail to understand irony or satire. To read Sachs you'd think they were one and the same.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:03
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:28
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So in your opinion there is no difference between antisemitism and anti Zionism? What Corbyn said 5 years ago was aimed at Zionists, not the Jewish community generally, and rings true of any group of of any hue fanatics in so far as they simply fail to understand irony or satire. To read Sachs you'd think they were one and the same.
I never thought I'd get to this point, but I'm actually beginning to have just a tiny sliver of sympathy for Corbyn.

We seem to have got to a position where if you don't support Zionism, if you don't applaud the continued expansion of Israel, if you don't condemn every Palestinian man, woman and child as a terrorist, then you are an antisemite who should be shunned by the rest of society.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:37
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I never thought I'd get to this point, but I'm actually beginning to have just a tiny sliver of sympathy for Corbyn.

We seem to have got to a position where if you don't support Zionism, if you don't applaud the continued expansion of Israel, if you don't condemn every Palestinian man, woman and child as a terrorist, then you are an antisemite who should be shunned by the rest of society.
That is exactly how I see it.

I have no time for Corbyn as leader of Labour, but that is the goal of the Zionist groups and JC, in the lack lustre half baked way in which he has handled the antisemitic issues within his party membership, has accidentally (foolishly is probably a better adjective) assisted them in achieving that goal.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:42
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This is exactly the way the left have acted for years. Calling everyone racist and Islamaphobic for raising genuine concerns.

Annoying isn't it.
Being Islamophobic is the same as, and as bad as being antisemitic, racism similarly. Being critical of Zionism is different, it is about nationalism, not about beliefs or ethnicity.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:08
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But it's not though is it. When did we last see a Jew blowing up a train,stabbing people in the streets or running them down with a motor vehicle? Islam has rightly gained the opprobrium that it has by the way it's followers have carried on. Personally I think that there is an element of a witch hunt against Corbyn. All I can say as a lifelong Labour voter is that I just hope that it is successful.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:27
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But it's not though is it. When did we last see a Jew blowing up a train,stabbing people in the streets or running them down with a motor vehicle? Islam has rightly gained the opprobrium that it has by the way it's followers have carried on. Personally I think that there is an element of a witch hunt against Corbyn. All I can say as a lifelong Labour voter is that I just hope that it is successful.
Perhaps not in the same league as the low life of IS or Al Qaeda, but history tells us that the original Zionists were viewed as terrorists as they fought against the British amongst others for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

As usual, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It has been thus for years.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:31
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
So in your opinion there is no difference between antisemitism and anti Zionism? What Corbyn said 5 years ago was aimed at Zionists, not the Jewish community generally, and rings true of any group of of any hue fanatics in so far as they simply fail to understand irony or satire. To read Sachs you'd think they were one and the same.
But irony and satire are already deemed to be unacceptable and offensive to so many other groups and communities, why are Israel/Jews any different. If anyone else is entitled to be offended why not them?
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:32
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Well it’s such an outrageous accusation he has no choice but to sue, has he?

I mean, the leader of major political party, a possible PM, can’t allow two such public personalities to make such libellous assertions unchallenged. All he has to do is ask them to provide proof in a court of law or apology.

I mean, it could be as important and seminal as the case of Deborah Lipstadt vs David Irving.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:59
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£4bn of extra UK support for African countries, I hear May is in Nigeria at the moment and the deposed daughter of a Nigerian minister is offering her the deal of a lifetime for the UK, she will generate a £450 billion take home for UK PLC in return for a £2.5 billion down payment to free the funds from the banking system.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 12:17
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£4bn of extra UK support for African countries, I hear May is in Nigeria at the moment and the deposed daughter of a Nigerian minister is offering her the deal of a lifetime for the UK, she will generate a £450 billion take home for UK PLC in return for a £2.5 billion down payment to free the funds from the banking system.
I'm not sure if it's more laughable, or pathetic.

Mrs. May dancing her way around the bits of Africa that used to be painted pink on the globe attempting to curry favours with nations that don't buy 10% of the exports we currently sell to the EU!!

For UK companies to serious start selling products to some of these banana republics HMG are going to have to resurrect and refinance the ECGD which they closed down some years ago, otherwise businesses, their banks and private credit insurers aren't going to touch them with the proverbial barge pole.

China doesn't have quite the same issues, as most of it's businesses are hardly what we in the capitalist west would define as private enterprise.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 16:20
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Well there you are - a good reason to be happy about a hard Brexit.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8512326.html

London House Prices Have 30% Chance of Crashing if N-Deal Brexit Goes Ahead, Experts Say
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 17:46
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Well there you are - a good reason to be happy about a hard Brexit.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8512326.html

London House Prices Have 30% Chance of Crashing if N-Deal Brexit Goes Ahead, Experts Say
I suggest you read the comments underneath that piece before celebrating.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 18:57
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ATN you make a good point and the issue should really be is he anti Jewish because Semitic includes almost all Arabs although they dont seem to get the airtime.

Is pointing that out Anti semitic?
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