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Old 29th Aug 2018, 09:56
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
KelvinD,

What a shame that Rabbi Sacks isn’t a member of the Labour Party- then you could hit him with a fine for a “vexatious complaint” and suspend him from the party!!

ATNotts,

Ah! Those infamous “British Zionists” and “parts of the UK media”. Wonder who funds them - nudge, nudge.

Still, I am sure you can both find somewhere to crowd fund Jeremy to sue Julia Hartley-Brewer for such a, surely, libellous accusation.

Meanwhile, here’s a shovel, just keep digging whilst I get some popcorn and sit back and watch.......
So in your opinion there is no difference between antisemitism and anti Zionism? What Corbyn said 5 years ago was aimed at Zionists, not the Jewish community generally, and rings true of any group of of any hue fanatics in so far as they simply fail to understand irony or satire. To read Sachs you'd think they were one and the same.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:03
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Of course he was......


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Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:28
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
So in your opinion there is no difference between antisemitism and anti Zionism? What Corbyn said 5 years ago was aimed at Zionists, not the Jewish community generally, and rings true of any group of of any hue fanatics in so far as they simply fail to understand irony or satire. To read Sachs you'd think they were one and the same.
I never thought I'd get to this point, but I'm actually beginning to have just a tiny sliver of sympathy for Corbyn.

We seem to have got to a position where if you don't support Zionism, if you don't applaud the continued expansion of Israel, if you don't condemn every Palestinian man, woman and child as a terrorist, then you are an antisemite who should be shunned by the rest of society.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:37
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I never thought I'd get to this point, but I'm actually beginning to have just a tiny sliver of sympathy for Corbyn.

We seem to have got to a position where if you don't support Zionism, if you don't applaud the continued expansion of Israel, if you don't condemn every Palestinian man, woman and child as a terrorist, then you are an antisemite who should be shunned by the rest of society.
That is exactly how I see it.

I have no time for Corbyn as leader of Labour, but that is the goal of the Zionist groups and JC, in the lack lustre half baked way in which he has handled the antisemitic issues within his party membership, has accidentally (foolishly is probably a better adjective) assisted them in achieving that goal.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:42
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This is exactly the way the left have acted for years. Calling everyone racist and Islamaphobic for raising genuine concerns.

Annoying isn't it.
Being Islamophobic is the same as, and as bad as being antisemitic, racism similarly. Being critical of Zionism is different, it is about nationalism, not about beliefs or ethnicity.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:08
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But it's not though is it. When did we last see a Jew blowing up a train,stabbing people in the streets or running them down with a motor vehicle? Islam has rightly gained the opprobrium that it has by the way it's followers have carried on. Personally I think that there is an element of a witch hunt against Corbyn. All I can say as a lifelong Labour voter is that I just hope that it is successful.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
But it's not though is it. When did we last see a Jew blowing up a train,stabbing people in the streets or running them down with a motor vehicle? Islam has rightly gained the opprobrium that it has by the way it's followers have carried on. Personally I think that there is an element of a witch hunt against Corbyn. All I can say as a lifelong Labour voter is that I just hope that it is successful.
Perhaps not in the same league as the low life of IS or Al Qaeda, but history tells us that the original Zionists were viewed as terrorists as they fought against the British amongst others for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

As usual, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It has been thus for years.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:31
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
So in your opinion there is no difference between antisemitism and anti Zionism? What Corbyn said 5 years ago was aimed at Zionists, not the Jewish community generally, and rings true of any group of of any hue fanatics in so far as they simply fail to understand irony or satire. To read Sachs you'd think they were one and the same.
But irony and satire are already deemed to be unacceptable and offensive to so many other groups and communities, why are Israel/Jews any different. If anyone else is entitled to be offended why not them?
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:32
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Well it’s such an outrageous accusation he has no choice but to sue, has he?

I mean, the leader of major political party, a possible PM, can’t allow two such public personalities to make such libellous assertions unchallenged. All he has to do is ask them to provide proof in a court of law or apology.

I mean, it could be as important and seminal as the case of Deborah Lipstadt vs David Irving.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:59
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45338036

£4bn of extra UK support for African countries, I hear May is in Nigeria at the moment and the deposed daughter of a Nigerian minister is offering her the deal of a lifetime for the UK, she will generate a £450 billion take home for UK PLC in return for a £2.5 billion down payment to free the funds from the banking system.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 12:17
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45338036

£4bn of extra UK support for African countries, I hear May is in Nigeria at the moment and the deposed daughter of a Nigerian minister is offering her the deal of a lifetime for the UK, she will generate a £450 billion take home for UK PLC in return for a £2.5 billion down payment to free the funds from the banking system.
I'm not sure if it's more laughable, or pathetic.

Mrs. May dancing her way around the bits of Africa that used to be painted pink on the globe attempting to curry favours with nations that don't buy 10% of the exports we currently sell to the EU!!

For UK companies to serious start selling products to some of these banana republics HMG are going to have to resurrect and refinance the ECGD which they closed down some years ago, otherwise businesses, their banks and private credit insurers aren't going to touch them with the proverbial barge pole.

China doesn't have quite the same issues, as most of it's businesses are hardly what we in the capitalist west would define as private enterprise.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 16:20
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Well there you are - a good reason to be happy about a hard Brexit.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8512326.html

London House Prices Have 30% Chance of Crashing if N-Deal Brexit Goes Ahead, Experts Say
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 17:46
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Well there you are - a good reason to be happy about a hard Brexit.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8512326.html

London House Prices Have 30% Chance of Crashing if N-Deal Brexit Goes Ahead, Experts Say
I suggest you read the comments underneath that piece before celebrating.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 18:57
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ATN you make a good point and the issue should really be is he anti Jewish because Semitic includes almost all Arabs although they dont seem to get the airtime.

Is pointing that out Anti semitic?
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 07:11
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Nothing beats dressing for the occasion when forced to actually meet real people outside the cocoon of Westminster . This was exemplified many times by George you may recall who suddenly developed a fetish for hard hats and hi-viz vests when compelled to meet with the lower echelons of UK society, which constitutes about 99% of the UK population in Tory minds, so it was no surprise to see Treeza fetchingly attired, albeit not quite an emerging fashion icon, in a local jacket yesterday in Nigeria.

As we are already happily helping Kenya, presumably, as this is a tour, today will, as the travel blurb puts it, be "a day of leisure "

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...africa-cartoon


Art appreciation is always fickle and sometimes it's difficult to distinguish between art and contravening the Obscene Publications Act.....that, and, well £25k is a lot of money to part with when some very cute puppies were promoting a product considerably cheaper...... but with the same intended use.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45347194

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Old 30th Aug 2018, 07:43
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
ATN you make a good point and the issue should really be is he anti Jewish because Semitic includes almost all Arabs although they dont seem to get the airtime.

Is pointing that out Anti semitic?
I don’t know but if the cap fits wear it.

You are are not the first on JB to attempt this bit of obfuscation. The term anti-Semite has had the specific meaning of hatred of Jews for hundreds of years. Any who suggest otherwise should not be surprised at some suspicion regarding their motives.


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Old 30th Aug 2018, 10:47
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Fantastic new from the PM yesterday, we get the same traded eal with Africa as we have for the Eu but have to pay (ie Aid) for it.

But then facts ad figures are as nothign in this world , bit like the poster who said we give the EU Ten billion and geta rebate of three, thats true butt he Eu then re invest a lo of money in the UK regions which they wont be doing in the future and we wont get to use-for free (not that it was free at the start as our money helped pay for it) all things like EC coml;iance standard, GPS and space issues to scratch the service . We wil get blue passports but they will be made in France .

And muchas the Labour prty was assuredly not anti semitic the Tory aprty used to understand big business. They clearly don't now
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 11:15
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There should be great trading opportunities with the new deal. Manufacturers of beads and mirrors should be dancing in the streets.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 11:23
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Fantastic new from the PM yesterday, we get the same traded eal with Africa as we have for the Eu but have to pay (ie Aid) for it.

But then facts ad figures are as nothign in this world , bit like the poster who said we give the EU Ten billion and geta rebate of three, thats true butt he Eu then re invest a lo of money in the UK regions which they wont be doing in the future and we wont get to use-for free (not that it was free at the start as our money helped pay for it) all things like EC coml;iance standard, GPS and space issues to scratch the service . We wil get blue passports but they will be made in France .

And muchas the Labour prty was assuredly not anti semitic the Tory aprty used to understand big business. They clearly don't now
In English... The UK give the EU £13.1 billion. They give us back £4.5 billion as rebate. It doesn't matter how people spin it, any funds the UK receives, for regional development, is the UK tax payers money. Why should tax payers be thankful for the EU telling us how we have to spend our money?
I am sure the left leaning mob would be outraged if the Gov't told anyone receiving benefits how to spend the money.
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Old 30th Aug 2018, 11:48
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https://www.thejc.com/comment/commen...uffer-1.469009

Whether Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister or not, the far-left will make sure we suffer

The UK Jewish community is already being positioned as the scapegoat, should Corbyn fail to become PM
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