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Old 24th Aug 2018, 05:58
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" Dear Dominic,

You know how it is in politics ....a convenient scapegoat always appeases the public and even more so when he / she, is totally implausible . This helps diverts the publics attention from any form of total incompetence and cosmetic assurances the public may have been offered prior to your promotion to this much sought after role in Gov't.

Love n hugs,

Theresa xx "

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Old 24th Aug 2018, 07:36
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Far from easing fears over a possible No Deal I think that yesterday's events have only served to intensify them with official sources confirming the multiple chaotic results that are likely to ensue. It seems now that everything that is revealed points to further dire consequences stemming from this ill judged joint enterprise with the only mitigation coming from the soothing, siren voices of the ERG as their unworldly spokesman Jacob assures us, albeit with scant evidence for his case, that everything will be alright on the night.

Conversely the somewhat lacklustre but nevertheless workmanlike chancellor assures with equally certainty that it won't be alright. I would like to hope that the former is correct and we are about to move into the sunlit uplands, bathed in the benign glow of an economic golden age once we are free of the shackles of the EU. It does seem however that the dystopian version is the more likely outcome.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 08:58
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Time is marching on.

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Old 24th Aug 2018, 11:07
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Corbyn should be relieved that he has now gained support for his anti-Semitism.

Unfortunately it is coming from David Duke (KKK) and Nick Griffin (British National Party).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...erafter-video/
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 11:40
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Britons visiting the EU could also face extra credit card charges
Excellent, will help stop the chavs spending dosh they don't have in smelly Spanish Tapas bars
....Things are looking better all the time


...Straight ahead fellas....straight ahead
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 22:58
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Jewish by race - but Anglican by religion.
Eh? Race? Have I missed something?
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 23:02
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
It is worth remembering that the UK, being a Christian country, whose head of State is head of the Church, has had Jewish prime ministers but not a Roman Catholic one.
Secular, not christian.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 23:16
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Eh? Race? Have I missed something?
Under UK Law Judaism is recognized as a Racial grouping.

"A racial group can be made up of two or more distinct racial groups, for example black Britons, British Asians, British Sikhs, British Jews, Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers."

The Equality Act 2010
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Old 25th Aug 2018, 10:49
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Well, I never knew that. Is it just British Law that makes the distinction for admin purposes or is there actually a distinct racial difference? I can see how Black, Asian etc are clearly different but Jews? The only jews I can spot in the street are ones in traditional orthodox dress.
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Old 25th Aug 2018, 15:43
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Bet you can’t pick out the English, Scots, Welsh, Irish, French, Dutch, German, Norwegian etc until they open their mouths.
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 05:18
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The only jews I can spot in the street are ones in traditional orthodox dress.
We bought the house next door to us and rented it to a Sudanese family. The wife accidentally bought some pig's liver which, being Muslim, they couldn't use (she was reasonably fluent in several languages, but her written English must have failed her on that shopping occasion).

The husband, when he discovered this, was horrified; "you shouldn't have given that to Mrs GtW, that's highly offensive, as GtW is Jewish". He had apparently been able to tell just by looking at me - whilst I am indeed Jewish by virtue of my mother being Jewish I have no Jewish upbringing, religion or culture.
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 06:51
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Calamity looms ! Forget all the distractions such as tariffs, cross-border trade, trade deals, freedom of movement etc, etc, ......these are of little or no consequence when the real detriment emerges.....you can see the headlines now....

"Ladies Day consigned to history !.....sales of hats and frocks plummet !

" Bookies demand national day of mourning ! "

" Merseyside police say lack of overtime will cause personal debt crisis ! "

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45301966

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Old 26th Aug 2018, 07:01
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Well, I never knew that. Is it just British Law that makes the distinction for admin purposes or is there actually a distinct racial difference? I can see how Black, Asian etc are clearly different but Jews? The only jews I can spot in the street are ones in traditional orthodox dress.
Thae race baiters such as Lammy, Abbott etc make it up as they go along, eagerly supported by the offenderati.
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 22:46
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From the Guardian

Vince Cable has told his MPs he will not remain Liberal Democrat leader in the long term, but hopes to push through radical reform of his party’s rulebook before stepping aside.Cable is due to make a speech on 7 September, a week before party members gather for their annual conference in Brighton.

Another rule change under consideration is to allow non-MPs to stand for the party’s leadership – a measure that would spark speculation about whether Cable wants to make the Lib Dems a vehicle for realignment of the centre ground in British politics.
I know that the LibDems only have 12 people to choose from but how would that idea work in practice?. Who would be in charge in Parliament and lead their MP's?. Has any other Party tried this out?
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 01:08
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I know that the LibDems only have 12 people to choose from but how would that idea work in practice?. Who would be in charge in Parliament and lead their MP's?. Has any other Party tried this out?
Ideas have been floating around for some years now (but no workable ones that I have heard that have gained any traction). One reason is that it was felt that having the party leader being a member of the coalition government did not work well, as there was nobody to lead the messaging on what we would have done better if we hadn't been stuck in coalition with these pesky Tories.

Remember that we have a vastly disproportionate number of members of the HoL, quite a few of them quite clever.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 04:08
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Treeza's diary .....extract

One of the really great things about pretending to be in charge of the UK is that I can just tell the RAF I need a plane for a few days to go on another futile junket somewhere. This time I thought I would go to Africa....this will go down well with all our Mail reading supporters at my penultimate, or maybe even my last, conference in October because they will all get tearful about those great days of Empire and Commonwealth when Britain was in charge of the world which they still think it is.

Of course, the really clever bit on my part is to go away when everybody is still on their hols and nobody will miss me not being around in the day job for a few days. So when I do get back to work, this little jaunt won't produce any of those silly questions as to what it achieved....!

I'm really looking forward to Nigeria tho......just lately we've been running a bit short of ideas about some event next March and how to convince the public we really do have their best interests at heart.....and Nigeria has, I believe, a lot of scammers so this is a great chance to pick up some tips
!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45318022

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Old 27th Aug 2018, 06:56
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Originally Posted by BAengineer View Post
From the Guardian



I know that the LibDems only have 12 people to choose from but how would that idea work in practice?. Who would be in charge in Parliament and lead their MP's?. Has any other Party tried this out?

The 3rd largest party in the Commons, SNP (Leader Sturgeon, Westminster lead Blackford) and Plaid Cymru (Leader Wood, Westminster lead Saville-Roberts) all manage.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 07:37
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Originally Posted by BAengineer View Post
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I know that the LibDems only have 12 people to choose from but how would that idea work in practice?. Who would be in charge in Parliament and lead their MP's?. Has any other Party tried this out?
In yesterday's Sunday Times, Gina Millar was mentioned as a possible leader.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 08:00
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Who would be in charge in Parliament and lead their MP's?. Has any other Party tried this out?
There is a long historical precedent.

Technically anyone can become Prime Minister regardless of whether they are an MP or a member of the House of Lords as the role has no statutory basis, it is just a recent title which anyone can hold. In fact the PM gets all their civil service privileges (like living in Number 10 and Chequers) from the old, parallel office of “First Lord of the Treasury” which anyone can hold.

The last long term party leader and PM was Robert Gascoyne-Cecil (Prime Minister 1895-1902). A modern example is Alec Douglas-Home who was PM in 1963. He was in the House of Lords when appointed to the premiership, then gave up his peerage and became an MP in a by-election 20 days later. He, therefore, spent 20 days as PM without being a member of either The House Of Commons or the House Of Lords.

There are practical difficulties, such as Prime Minister’s questions and speeches from the floor of the House, but as pointed out by HQ above, these are not insurmountable. .
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 08:09
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The same can be said of ministers with many as members of the Lords rather than the Commons. Perhaps the most recent and important was Lord Carrington. An advantage is they don't have to pander to constituents.
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