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Old 11th Aug 2018, 14:40
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There’s was me thinking cars sales have gone down because diesel sales have crashed by around 40% after the dieselgage debacle and all the increasing charges in places like London.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 15:00
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
There’s was me thinking cars sales have gone down because diesel sales have crashed by around 40% after the dieselgage debacle and all the increasing charges in places like London.
Let me try and work this one out - diesels are bad, so I won't buy any car at all.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 16:33
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The sales of diesels fell precipitously as people stopped buying them and waited to seek what happened to prices and who would follow London in increasingly their charges - that doesn’t mean they bought a petrol/hybrid, just they have put off buying anything until they see what the market is doing and the overall replacement rate has fallen. That includes the big fleet buyers who have to seek their purchases in a years time.

Sales have stabilised again again in July.

New car sales stabilise in July | Auto Express

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Old 11th Aug 2018, 17:27
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My information came from two separate new car franchises. Both resorted to large scale self registration of vehicles during July at the suggestion of their respective manufacturers, in these instances Peugeot and Ford. Both were offered incentives in terms of reduced prices plus deferred payment. The problem with doing this is that you then sell the cars as second hand, or "demonstrators". In practice there is no such thing as a designated demonstrator, it's just a good story to sell a few month old car with a few hundred miles on the clock. But once you have done it you can't do it again. It's a one off to get you out of a hole.

The diesel thing was a 2017 problem where many people were unsure how tax bands were going to be altered fearing a huge increase in vehicle taxes. It didn't happen. In practice the 30-40% saving in fuel costs mean that diesel is still the best choice from a running cost POV. Of course with company cars drivers may decide going green is a good idea, as they are invariably not picking up the tab.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 23:43
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
... as older cars get driven for longer before being scrapped, so worse pollution ...
You really have fallen for that car salesman thing about newer cars being 'greener' that your present one, haven't you?!!

A good comment that I heard several years ago (when the car industry was desperate to get you to buy newer, 'greener' cars simply to boost their sales figures - and conned governments into those daft 'scrappage' schemes to boost their sales figures!) was that the greenest car you can drive is the one that you are driving right now as, even though a newer car might be a bit more 'energy efficient', the energy used up to build a new car for you was far more than your old car's 'inefficiency'.

Look at the big picture, not just through the key-hole!
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 23:47
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I've been into a few dealers recently and the confusion about 'deferred' car purchases is far, far, far more about the diesel/petrol/electric uncertainties than any perceived nonsense about the EU.

But remoaners will always twist the truth for their glass-half-full view of the world. (Sorry, they don't see the world, they just see the EU!)
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 10:11
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
I've been into a few dealers recently and the confusion about 'deferred' car purchases is far, far, far more about the diesel/petrol/electric uncertainties than any perceived nonsense about the EU.
Well in that case, if the drop in car sales has nothing to do with #brexit, then we are, in fact, back down to exactly zero benefits of #brexit that have so far been identified. I was only trying to be helpful!
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 10:40
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Having repeatedly proved that she's no good at figures, Ms Abbott now provides evidence that she might also have trouble reading...


Diane Abbott drops complaint against Mail on Sunday over her accidental visit to Commons gents | Daily Mail Online


More seriously, it's the way too many politicians, in all countries, are prepared to lie, quite openly, which should have us all scratching our heads trying to understand why some people still defend / support any of them....
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 11:21
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
I've been into a few dealers recently and the confusion about 'deferred' car purchases is far, far, far more about the diesel/petrol/electric
Quite. I have a spacious luxury car and I want to retain the same standard when I change cars. I am open to any engine option, given a minimum range of 200 miles. My requirement therefore revolves around cost of ownership. My last ​​​​upgrade sees a fuel cost of 3% increase and consumption drop of 25%. Other costs unchanged.

Brexitwise I just hope it can deliver benefits or at least be neutral. My main hope now is that we can regain Parliamentary primacy.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 11:53
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
You really have fallen for that car salesman thing about newer cars being 'greener' that your present one, haven't you?!!

A good comment that I heard several years ago (when the car industry was desperate to get you to buy newer, 'greener' cars simply to boost their sales figures - and conned governments into those daft 'scrappage' schemes to boost their sales figures!) was that the greenest car you can drive is the one that you are driving right now as, even though a newer car might be a bit more 'energy efficient', the energy used up to build a new car for you was far more than your old car's 'inefficiency'.

Look at the big picture, not just through the key-hole!

Back in 2006 a survey was done on the "dust to dust" environmental impact of numerous vehicles and the one that came out as the greenest was.....wait for it....the Jeep Wrangler!
Taking into account its low tech construction, longevity and the recyclability of its components, it beat all the others, especially the hybrids and full electrics whose toxic components will cause problems in the future.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 12:01
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Back in 2006 a survey was done on the "dust to dust" environmental impact of numerous vehicles and the one that came out as the greenest was.....wait for it....the Jeep Wrangler!
Taking into account its low tech construction, longevity and the recyclability of its components, it beat all the others, especially the hybrids and full electrics whose toxic components will cause problems in the future.
I believe that came from the infamous (and largely fake) "Dust to Dust" report, which was essentially a pack of lies funded by the US motor industry to try and kill off the success of the Toyota Prius in the US. IIRC, it wasn't a Jeep Wrangler that they faked up as having the lowest environmental impact, but the Humvee...

Edited to add:
Just been digging around. It seems the link to the body that wrote the "Dust to Dust" report is now dead, but there is an analysis of it here: http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr...r_vs_prius.pdf

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Old 12th Aug 2018, 12:08
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I believe that came from the infamous (and largely fake) "Dust to Dust" report, which was essentially a pack of lies funded by the US motor industry to try and kill off the success of the Toyota Prius in the US. IIRC, it wasn't a Jeep Wrangler that they faked up as having the lowest environmental impact, but the Humvee...
Prius uses less energy than Hummer.
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 11:58
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Alex Massie in CapX....

https://capx.co/jeremy-corbyn-and-th...tish-politics/

Jeremy Corbyn and the moral debasement of British politics

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Old 17th Aug 2018, 19:15
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Of course to Corbyn’s sect they’re all “smears”. Trouble is, if anyone wanted to smear Corbyn how could they possibly do so now? I mean they might tell us he sympathises with a host of terrorist organisations, applauds the economic policies which turned Venezuela into a basket case, will bin our nuclear deterrent or photoshop a picture of him making the Muslim Brotherhood salute... but on every count the real Jeremy has beaten them to it!

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Old 18th Aug 2018, 04:49
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Time to check your social engagements chaps ! .....Coming soon to a pub car park, or landfill site, ( bombsites have now disappeared ) or a lay by near you !....., the return of the man himself !

Once again, a bus will be used to spread the gospel according the St Nige.....be interesting to see what, if anything, is scrawled on the side this time but no matter.

With apologies to the original "and now, we're on, the road again, with Nigel's fusiliers "

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45229426

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Old 18th Aug 2018, 13:48
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Time to check your social engagements chaps ! .....Coming soon to a pub car park, or landfill site, ( bombsites have now disappeared ) or a lay by near you !....., the return of the man himself !

Once again, a bus will be used to spread the gospel according the St Nige.....be interesting to see what, if anything, is scrawled on the side this time but no matter.

With apologies to the original "and now, we're on, the road again, with Nigel's fusiliers "

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45229426

Sort of inevitable, really, while far too many UK and European politicos refuse to accept the EU for what it really is and where it's going to end up - in chaos

Way too many of them are determined to ignore what a few hundred million people ( probably even the majority of EU citizens ) actually want from the EU and what they want the EU to be and to do compared to the almost idiotic ' Further, deeper integration ' which the Federal Fanatics in Brussels will force on us.

Like them or hate them, Farrage, Le Pen, Wilders, Akesson, Conte, Orban and others are the only options for those hundreds of millions of us who are trying to avoid the inevitable sh*tstorm when the chaos starts.
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 15:46
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I have just been reading up on Napoleon's Continental System of 1806.
Amazing parallels with the current UK vs EU fracas!
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 22:17
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Nigel Is Returning To UK politics!

Farage returns to politics over PM's Brexit

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Old 18th Aug 2018, 22:28
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Boom time for civil servants

Knowing how respected our Civil Service is amongst PPRuNe contributors, I am sure we can all rejoice in the report in today's Times;

While politicians argue over the economic impacts of Brexit, it has certainly represented a boom time for the upper echelons of the civil service. Figures from the Institute for Government (IFG) think tank reveal that the number of the most senior officials in Britain has risen by 10 per cent since preparations to leave the EU began. Across Whitehall there are 500 more director-generals, directors and deputy directors than in 2016. The recruitment drive at the grades just below the senior civil service is even more stark. There are an additional 5,000 grade six and seven officials, who tend to have significant policy responsibilities, representing a rise of 15 per cent on 2016.
Among the departments to have taken on the most new staff are the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy and Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, which have been heavily affected by Brexit planning.
Whitehall sources say that the rises are tiny compared with the projections for the staff who will be needed to carry out the functions now overseen by Brussels.
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 19:39
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Knowing how respected our Civil Service is amongst PPRuNe contributors, I am sure we can all rejoice in the report in today's Times;
Of course we can rejoice! They will be our civil servants, not Brussels's civil servants. And what's far, far more important is that they will know that they owe their jobs to Brexit happening!
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