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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
The point, in case you did actually miss it, is that we cannot feed ourselves.
And you base this hypothesis on two world wars, what a leap of imagination, you are almost implying that Brexit is going to be a akin to a 3rd world war with Germany, sorry , the first with the EU, and will have to resort to rationing again, and we will not be able to use the food we already grow, or start growing on the land that the EU pay UK farmers to leave without crops under the CAP or continue to import from non EU countries.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 15:24
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
The point, in case you did actually miss it, is that we cannot feed ourselves.
We haven't been able to do that since WW1 - Yet we survived all the way up until the EU was formed in 1992 with the Maastrict Treaty.

As you said the only time that we have come close to being unable to get enough food was when we were losing 30,000 merchant seamen in the Battle of the Atlantic so why would you expect that to happen again?
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 15:25
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"...we cannot feed ourselves". What nonsense!. We've relied on importing food since Napoleonic times but never gone hungry, even under blockade and world war. In the exceptionally unlikely (and costly for them) event of the EU refusing to sell us food there are multiple alternatives. You're just raising project-fear to an idiotic new level.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 16:10
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
"...we cannot feed ourselves". What nonsense!. We've relied on importing food since Napoleonic times but never gone hungry, even under blockade and world war. In the exceptionally unlikely (and costly for them) event of the EU refusing to sell us food there are multiple alternatives. You're just raising project-fear to an idiotic new level.
Kindly read what I said.
I said we cannot feed ourselves, in response to the previous poster.
And that is true. We cannot feed ourselves. We rely on imported food, which as you say will always be available at a price. The quality of some may be open to question, but that's a different matter.
For many years, we have not been able to feed ourselves. And that won't change.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 16:23
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It depends on what you mean by feeding ourselves. I have no doubt that we would be able to have food of adequate calorific and nutritional value, but then the communist bloc did that throughout the Cold War. These days people have strange desires that extend beyond meat and two veg and a great deal of that comes in through Dover/Folkstone on a Just on Time basis heading for our supermarkets. I think it is this supply chain that is at risk.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 16:28
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
The point, in case you did actually miss it, is that we cannot feed ourselves.
When I talked about “feeding ourselves” maybe I should have chosen my words more carefully. Equally, I had reasonable expectations of not being deliberately misunderstood……..

What I meant, as I think everyone realised, is that we managed to stay fed before we joined the EEC, and other countries also seem to keep the population fed despite not being EU members. And to compare our post-Brexit economy with life during wartime is just silly (although I wouldn’t put it beyond Juncker, Selmayr and Verhofstadt to try and place us under an economic embargo).

There are definitely major uncertainties and challenges ahead and it’s quite right they’re discussed objectively. But some of the wilder scaremongering is barely worthy of response.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 16:40
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
"...we cannot feed ourselves". What nonsense!. We've relied on importing food since Napoleonic times but never gone hungry, even under blockade and world war. In the exceptionally unlikely (and costly for them) event of the EU refusing to sell us food there are multiple alternatives. You're just raising project-fear to an idiotic new level.
Allied to the above, in terms of fatuous observations that is.....

" As you said the only time that we have come close to being unable to get enough food was when we were losing 30,000 merchant seamen in the Battle of the Atlantic so why would you expect that to happen again?"

Apart from a wholly unwarranted, but for JB standard regression to Germany and WW2, there are a few minor details to consider.

One being the growth in population ( and please, don't lets resort to another JB obsession ..immigration ...here ) another is the far more expansive diet we now enjoy and have come to expect. Along with something called "healthy eating " which has always been a neat bit of strap line advertising given it's misleading in part.

Then there's the source(s) of this food...true, we have trade deals with some countries but, we can't exactly expect them to ramp up production for the benefit of the UK consumer....apart from in the minds of those Empire of the past lovers that is.....and even if they did, or could, in this world that's going to cost. Strange that. New trade deals ?......just another piece of paper contained in the "In tray " of this Gov't as not a lot has materialised thus far.

Of course, we could stop exporting food to the EU, after all once allegedly free of their demonic influence the EU can struggle without us, but there may be a problem with income here and of course, the EU wouldn't dare reciprocate against the almighty Imperial power of the UK.

We could, of course, change our eating habits, stop wasting food, kick Tabatha and Tarquin out of Sales and marketing as I've said before and consume perfectly edible veg which isn't the "perfect" shape.

However, as the potential for food shortages is simply a figment of the "project fear " imagination here on JB. some of you will still be emulating truffling pigs in your daily consumption ...you hope.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 19:08
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What an earth are you talking about?
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 19:21
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
How about the rest of Europe being given a referendum to find out if they actually want more Europe as is being forced through by the unelected few, or far less Europe such as a free trade zone and cooperation on projects of mutual interest such as Airbus? Why not ask them? I know why the commissioners won't allow that to happen, too scared of seeing their power-base evaporate.
As if....

But we needed a good laugh amongst the doom and gloom from the usual contributors, so Thanks for providing it.

SALLY....

Are you seriously suggesting that EU famers will not want to continue exporting their food to the UK, or that the EU will prevent food exports to the UK ??

Because that's how your post reads....
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 19:37
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
SALLY....

Are you seriously suggesting that EU famers will not want to continue exporting their food to the UK, or that the EU will prevent food exports to the UK ??

Because that's how your post reads....
No. If you read my later posts you will see that I said we will always be able to import food from wherever it is available.

What I said previously is that we can't feed ourselves. We need those imports because we cannot grow enough food ourselves. We haven't been able to, even with rationing in wartime. And that is true however you may wish to misread it.

< Sigh! >
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 20:23
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
No. If you read my later posts you will see that I said we will always be able to import food from wherever it is available.

What I said previously is that we can't feed ourselves. We need those imports because we cannot grow enough food ourselves. We haven't been able to, even with rationing in wartime. And that is true however you may wish to misread it.

< Sigh! >
Then it wouldn't be incorrect to say something along the lines of -

The UK will always need to import food whether it is a member of the EU or not a member of the EU, and the UK leaving the EU will not affect one diddlysquat that need, other than after the UK leaves the EU it will be able to import food from non-EU countries which curently attract import tariffs or are quota restricted and are therefore not currently price competitive with EU produced food but which may be the same price as EU produced food or even cheaper than EU produced food after the UK leaves the EU

Sorry, but this ' We're all going to starve ' nonsense is precisely that - nonsense.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 20:50
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Sorry, but this ' We're all going to starve ' nonsense is precisely that - nonsense.
Bit like the lorry park in Kent, but apparently not at Calais or Rotterdam due to the larger quantity of goods that will be sat on the other side of the channel, as the EU will be able to sell them elsewhere with no problems apparently, even if those places don't want it, or have enough allready.

Bit like the family holiday being sorted for an EU country for summer 2019, that has to date, not had any travel agent/airline inform us that there will be a problem after March next year and we might not be able to go as we won't have anything to travel in/on, and have not noted any price hikes either.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 21:23
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
​​​​Sorry, but this ' We're all going to starve ' nonsense is precisely that - nonsense.
That would indeed be nonsense.
Where did you hear that?
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 21:40
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
That would indeed be nonsense.
Certainly is nonsense.

The "all" bit, anyway.

There's no way the rich would ever starve.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 22:48
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On the subject of food

Here's some food for thought ...

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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 22:50
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A lot of people in the UK (and here in Canada) could do with losing a few pounds, anyway.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 23:55
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Then there's the source(s) of this food...true, we have trade deals with some countries but, we can't exactly expect them to ramp up production for the benefit of the UK consumer....apart from in the minds of those Empire of the past lovers that is.....and even if they did, or could, in this world that's going to cost. Strange that. New trade deals ?......just another piece of paper contained in the "In tray " of this Gov't as not a lot has materialised thus far.
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Why do you need a trade deal to buy food on the world market?. Once we are free of the restrictions of the Common External Tariff regime we can buy food from whoever we want.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 04:47
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
That would indeed be nonsense.
Where did you hear that?
Just google "starve brexit" to seen the scare stories peddled by the globalist loons.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 05:00
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Just google "starve brexit" to seen the scare stories peddled by the globalist loons.
Siti old boy ! ( and a passing mention for BA Eng at the same time )

Thou timed your post to perfection because, here's a scare story clearly concocted by globalist loons ....except they are anything but of course and also inconveniently mentions erm, trade deals because as far as I'm aware, we can't just pitch up in a country with a gunboat or two anymore and thereafter say give us all your perishable fruit and veg / meat because we're British.

https://www.thesterlingchoice.com/wi...d-come-brexit/


Of course, if only the parents hadn't squandered their money on the usual ill founded JB accusations, they would be able to feed their children now wouldn't they...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...holiday-hunger

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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 14:04
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Siti old boy ! ( and a passing mention for BA Eng at the same time )
Well that just repeats your claim - it doesn't explain why you need a trade deal to buy food on the world market. Why would a farmer in Spain refuse to sell us lettuce if we didn't have a trade deal with the EU?. If we can trade cars easily with countries who we dont have free trade deals agreed with why not carrots?
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