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Old 29th Jul 2018, 12:55
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people could still buy their ration of food and sell it on on the black market, but then they'd be hungry.
Ah, the delicate balance between food and need. Baccy and booze etc suppress appetite.
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 14:18
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Yup. Bit far fetched, but that is one theory for #brexit:

The police state advocates couldn't get ID cards through the political system in normal circumstances, so they engineer a state of emergency (arrange for #brexit, then make sure there's no deal) in which they think it will be more acceptable.
Pretty much every other country in the EU already has identity card Laws so the idea that to save the UK from their introduction we need to stay in the EU is pretty far fetched. A simple regulation introduced from Brussels under QMV and voila - ID cards in the UK. There are several areas already subject to QMV that could be used - security and justice - crime prevention - Police cooperation etc..
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 05:52
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
For my first few years as a councillor the most common request from constituents was for more CCTV cameras. The reasoning was largely spurious - the crime vs fear of crime thing - but if you put up the cameras and little old ladies no longer feel housebound that's a win (cheaper to put up the cameras than to "re-educate" them). And as a free bonus every now and then the cameras help save money on the court system (perps tend to put their hands up when shown the footage of them committing the crime, thereby saving the cost of a trial).

And it can work the other way too. There was a fight, police arrived, nicked who they thought had been the participants. Which included one lad who, although he did have a bit of a history with the police (like many lads), said he'd had nothing to do with this one and had just been passing by chance. Footage viewed, he was seen to be telling the truth, "sorry mate, off you go" - without the CCTV who knows how much hassle he would have had to go to to prove his innocence, or even whether he would have succeeded?
I find your arguments, as we in germany say, 'constructed'. Sorry, can't find a better expression. All these arguments can be used as a pro argument for id-cards.

If you find ID-cards 'evil', then i cannot for the life of me understand why you are pro CCTV? At least, with ID-cards, a police officer has to come to me and ask me for my ID, with a cctv it happens all the time without me knowing it. Even automatically, kicked off by a computer. Or by a security person with no legal background or proper (police) education. Who watches the watchers?

I have been asked for my ID in germany by the police maybe two times in my whole life. One time we happened to be close to a crime scene and the description of one of the criminals fitted more or less myself. ID checked by officer and i was on my way again a few minutes later. It's not as if you are being checked every few minutes for your id, with a cctv system as in the uk, you are constantly checked.

IDs also have a big pro argument. With my ID, i can prove my government that i am legal citizen of the country. I am allowed to vote and the government can not just throw me out if they wish. Remember the citizens of the uk (non-resident in the uk) who were denied a vote in the Brexit (oh, the taboo word) referendum? Remember Windrush?

It's okay, if you want to run your country this way, it's your choice. But don't turn around and say that other countries are not free because they have ID-cards. That would be silly...

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Old 30th Jul 2018, 07:45
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This outcome was so blindingly obvious before the referendum nobody could have predicted the 5th wealthiest country in the world would relegate itself out of the first division.

Well done Brexidiots.

Deutsche Bank shifts half of euro clearing from London to Frankfurt
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 08:00
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sfm818,

Its a non-story. The trading, and the people and profits, remains in London; all that’s happened is that a paper exercise takes place to show the transactions to take place through an office in Frankfurt. Exactly as suggested would happen 2 years ago.

Interestingly, and surprisingly for the BBC, their report on this item on the “Wake Up to Money” programme at 0530 this morning included the admission from a senior Financial Times reporter that they were under a three line whip from senior management to ensure all such stories were deliberately written in such a way as to put Brexit in as bad a light as possible.
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 08:04
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
This outcome was so blindingly obvious before the referendum nobody could have predicted the 5th wealthiest country in the world would relegate itself out of the first division.

Well done Brexidiots.

Deutsche Bank shifts half of euro clearing from London to Frankfurt
And Ruth Lee (formerly head of the IoD, now adviser to some Japanese bank) said on the BBC News paper review last night that she fully expected this to happen before the referendum and quite relaxed about people losing their jobs.

Two things come to mind, first, would she feel the same if it was her or one of her relatives who lost their job; second it just goes to show just how bombastic hard Brexiteers are on the road to their utopia - I'm not sure if any price is one too high to pay in their eyes.
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 08:10
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“........ Deutsche Bank's global co-head of institutional and treasury coverage told the FT the move had not led to a wholesale relocation of jobs. “It’s the same London-based person who clears a transaction. We’re just using a different clearing house,” he said........”
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 10:38
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Boundary Commission due to report shortly and a vote in the House in the autumn. I would expect the government to win the vote.

politicalbetting.com Blog Archive The planned new boundaries give CON 40 more seats than LAB for the same national vote shares
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 16:07
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So with Boris the Buffoon gone as Foreign Secretary, hopes were high that diplomacy would be back on track to professionalism. And there travels Jeremy Hunt to China to boast about his wife being "Japanese" - after having second thoughts, he apparently remembered that a) his wife is indeed Chinese and b) currying favour with the Chinese by mentioning Japan does not really play the trick.

My oh my. Let's hope Boris has finally moved out of his official residence so that Jeremy Hunt has a place to sleep should his wife decide to change the locks of their marital home.
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 16:13
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A song for Foreign Secretary, Jeremy Hunt..

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Old 30th Jul 2018, 17:10
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So with Boris the Buffoon gone as Foreign Secretary, hopes were high that diplomacy would be back on track to professionalism. And there travels Jeremy Hunt to China to boast about his wife being "Japanese" - after having second thoughts, he apparently remembered that a) his wife is indeed Chinese and b) currying favour with the Chinese by mentioning Japan does not really play the trick.

My oh my. Let's hope Boris has finally moved out of his official residence so that Jeremy Hunt has a place to sleep should his wife decide to change the locks of their marital home.
Yep, there's a bit of a track record being established here in terms of "forgetting " rather essential details, such as property ownership for example. Thankfully, as we know this was just an "unfortunate administrative error "......what else could it possibly have been for a future contender, ostensibly, for the leader of our nation.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 07:39
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A Party with anti-Semitism.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45014771

A Party whose leader has his name chanted out at public gatherings.
(the comment about infection towards the end is worrying, 'infect'='contaminate'!)

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Old 31st Jul 2018, 07:52
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Both major political parties in the UK now appear to be united in their incompetence as well as their extremism. We see The Tories in thrall to Jacob and the ERG and Labour, who let's face it should be thirty points ahead in the polls, riven by Momentum and their own brand of loonies.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 07:56
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 08:08
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Given the demographic of the (falling) Conservative party membership, which is aging rather more rapidly than the BBC Radio 4 audience, it isn't in the least bit surprising that when Mrs. May attempts to introduce pragmatism and moderation into the Brexit negotiations that cohort, who tend to be on the more extreme wing of the Brexit debate would want shot of her. They are in so many ways about as misrepresentative of Tory voting society as Momentum is of Labour's core voters.

Party membership tends to go hand in hand with extremism on all sides.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 08:21
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A Party with anti-Semitism.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45014771

A Party whose leader has his name chanted out at public gatherings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVO_pQIUER0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CZThJ3CfVE (the comment about infection towards the end is worrying, 'infect'='contaminate'!)

When Momentum start wearing brown shirts it's already gone beyond the point of 'time to worry'!
Oh absolutely, I mean, like yah, that's just sooooo avant-garde and one of the fashion statements for 2019 !

But, as we know, JB isn't really noted for forecasting fashion trends hence your allusion to a different era is more apt

https://www.harpersbazaar.com.au/fas...r-trends-16624
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 08:44
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Party membership tends to go hand in hand with extremism on all sides.
So it seems, certainly at the moment.
But was it always this way?
We have no effective leadership anywhere in our elected Parliament. We have an ineffective government and at the same time an ineffective opposition. In my memory and in my reading of history this is almost unheard of.
We are approaching a time of national crisis, and no-one seems to have a clear view of where we are going.
I have a sad mental picture of our wonderful little country sinking out of view into a tumultuous world ocean.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 09:16
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Certainly Labour was riddled with extremists in the early 80's when I was a member. My guess is that people with the motivation to join political parties are likely to be that way inclined. In the case of the Lib Dems I suppose this took the form of extreme beards and sandals.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 10:24
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It looks like it's just all about power now, not the good of the country. One lot is terrified of losing power, others are terrified of gaining power. One big stalemate.

We are becoming like Northern Ireland, things go on despite no Government.

It will all end in tears or become a reality TV show where we can vote individuals in and out for prizes or forfeits. 'Today Jeremy you must negotiate Brexit'.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 16:34
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Sally Ann , you are so right

Our political system cannot deal with the biggest most divisive crisis since the civil war.

The country is literlaly falling to pieces with no one able to say what will happen in 2019 to almost anyhting
The leave group-not a aprty are found guilty of serious electoral fraud and nothing happens because the politicians are scared of the media.

Leaving aside the image created by two foreign secretaries who made immense mistakes on the diplomatic stage what kind of image do we have in the world , old fashioned , ignorant, living in the ast, selfish are all phrases I ahve heard and some from countries thata re not exactly fans of the Eu but unlike us realsie it would insane to leave it.
we have no serious trade deals in place
the much hoped for Trump special relationship Americans did no deal with us when he was here but did a huge deal with the EU a week later.. The US does have a special relationship with one country in Europe but its France not us these days.
We do a trade deal worth half a crown with NZ a week alter the EU doa trade deal with Japan worth billions
We sack the Brexit secretary who was useless and lazy as was well known from the start.
We tell the world Russia and Putin are the evil empire Mark2, trump goes to meet Putin and declares him his best buddy (almost)

Just when for Christs sake are we going to wake up and realise that we have voted ourselves out of existence on the world stage politically and economically just for the sake of some crooked politicians who stand to gain fiancially or career wise from lying through their teeth to the 'British people'

We could of course save face and have a second referendum but the quitters know they would lose and some could even face criminal; charges and so their media mouthpieces say this could never happen. Why not, it happened in Ireland and Denmark but maybe we really are not just the sick man of Europe (one for the teenagers) but also the thick man of Europe.

And this is without:-

France winning the world cup, well we did win the Tour de France, but the only people who care about that are the french and even then they would take the World Cup any day of the week.
Farnborough airshow being absolute rubbish and second rate
Megan Merkhel the surely most beautiful and intelligent woman in the entire world choosing to marry a bearded British attack helicopter gunner .
It being hotter here than on the Costa del Essex .
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