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Old 26th Jul 2018, 11:46
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
. We do not a religious organisation of any stripe, telling our politicians which way they must behave.
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Do the DUP have an exclusion clause in this respect ?
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 13:17
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
So I would like to ask, what is it about the Jews that disqualifies them from the left's usual preaching that everybody is equal, nobody should be judged by their religion etc. etc. Why has one religion in particular become fair game for exactly the type of behaviour that they pretend to be against? And please, don't just say it's anti Isreal not anti Jew as that is complete bull#@*t.
A communist (not sure which flavour) I knew in the 1970s couldn't work it out either. "I don't know why the left are on the wrong side on this one" he said.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 13:18
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
He didn't promise a second vote, he wasn't in a position to do that. I distinctly remember him on the evening of June 23 2016 after an exit poll had suggested a narrow Remain win saying that he didn't accept the result and would push for a re run.
As a private citizen he can push for whatever he likes, its a free country. That doesn't mean that anyone will take any notice and he will get his own way.

We had 100,000 in London the other week pushing for the result to be ignored - they had every right to do so and everyone else had the right to ignore them.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 13:29
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
As for the Jewish media's recent outburst, I hope Corbyn will tell them to go boil their heads.
Dust off your Hugo Boss suit and have yourself teleported back to the 1930s. You'd fit right in.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 13:33
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On a different tack, Gary Lineker has publicly backed the second EU referendum campaign. Should we be worried?
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 13:43
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Originally Posted by 57mm View Post
On a different tack, Gary Lineker has publicly backed the second EU referendum campaign. Should we be worried?
A year ago he said, "Leave won. Get over it".

It's amazing what £2,000,000 of taxpayers cash from the anti Brexit BBC can do to your opinions.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 13:47
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Or maybe he woke up?
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 14:06
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Originally Posted by CargoMatatu View Post
Or maybe he woke up?
Or maybe he's seen the opportunity for some EU snout-in-the-trough job disappear? (Very often the case with those who 'Remoan' loudest!)
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 14:12
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Well if it goes to penalties, Gary always loses.��
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 15:52
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Remoaner desperation has sunk to these 'non-news' levels!!! Sandwiches!
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 16:01
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I'm sure that when John Montagu invented the sandwich he wasn't worried about which country the ingredients came from.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 16:48
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
Project fear is alive and well.

I'm too young to remember life before the EU but I am presuming we could feed ourselves and manage to knock up a sandwich.
Digging for victory...
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 17:11
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
Project fear is alive and well.

I'm too young to remember life before the EU but I am presuming we could feed ourselves and manage to knock up a sandwich.
It's a shame, but not unexpected, that you didn't read the rest of the article before joining in the chorus .Had you done so the impracticalities of storing food would have become clear as would the potential for a rise in costs, although you seem quite blasť about costs ( see HS2 ) and why people get upset about increases that can be avoided.

As for UK food prior to us joining the EU it was basically bland, uninspiring, unappetizing and unhealthy......still is with regard to junk of course....and chicken n chips / scampi n chips was about your lot in a pub. Sandwiches were dire and basic.

"He also blocks anyone that dares to disagree with him "


And there was me thunking he was a former footballer and not, say, a former commissioned officer in the RAF or an M.o.D scientist for example, or other occupations that have the same reticence when confronted with criticism on here....
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 17:25
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
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As for UK food prior to us joining the EU it was basically bland, uninspiring, unappetizing and unhealthy......still is with regard to junk of course....and chicken n chips / scampi n chips was about your lot in a pub. Sandwiches were dire and basic.

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I love the implication that it was "the EU wot dun it" in improving British food!!! I remember very good food in Britain before 1 Nov 1993. But then, I suppose it depends on where you were looking for your food.

What tosh that we won't still be able to make sandwiches. That is really scraping the barrel for anti-Brexit fear propaganda!
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 17:45
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
I love the implication that it was "the EU wot dun it" in improving British food!!! I remember very good food in Britain before 1 Nov 1993. But then, I suppose it depends on where you were looking for your food.

What tosh that we won't still be able to make sandwiches. That is really scraping the barrel for anti-Brexit fear propaganda!
What KnC has written is largely true; how much of the improvement in the UK culinary experience was down to the influence, or otherwise, of the EU is open to debate; I personally think they had little to do with it.

HOWEVER, take a look at where the majority of the UK's Broccoli comes from, and our supplies of (pretty awful) out of season strawberries come from, or our cauliflowers. It's the EU, and in the (unlikely) event of no deal these perishables are going to either have to be flown in, or picked when they are less ripe than is the case now, and there will be no guarantee of transit times due to the vagaries of customs clearance, examination and the like. And they will be pricier because of this, and because of the import duties that may well be applied.

Curiously some of products that have really broadened our palate in recent years come from outside the EU - and we are told by Brexiteers that we pay far too much for these because of restrictive trade practices, but if that were the case then asparagus grown in Peru or Mexico would be way more expensive than the home grown stuff, which it isn't - it is just of lower quality, because it has by necessity spent too long in transit.

I'm sure some Brexiteers really believe that returning to the days of sprouts, carrots, cabbage and very little else through the winter months is a price worth paying for their holy grail, many people will think it is not.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 18:10
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
I love the implication that it was "the EU wot dun it" in improving British food!!! I remember very good food in Britain before 1 Nov 1993. But then, I suppose it depends on where you were looking for your food.

What tosh that we won't still be able to make sandwiches. That is really scraping the barrel for anti-Brexit fear propaganda!
Now where did I say it was all down to the EU...a pure figment of your imagination here...and I was referring to food quality and variety back in the 70's ( and before ) not in the 90's. And nowhere does it say we won't be able to make sandwiches only that the ingredients may be in short supply and cost a lot more.

We bought our food from shops like everybody else.....sorry to shatter your illusion we were scavenging .
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 18:11
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I am rather amused at the contradiction there. For food coming from the EU "there will be no guarantee of transit times due to the vagaries of customs clearance, examination and the like" but we already get a huge amount of food that already faces "the vagaries of customs clearance, examination and the like" as so much of it already comes from outside the EU. And some really good quality food too.

So what if you can't get your strawberries while it is snowing outside. Many other countries that eat really good food eat a lot more seasonally and enjoy the variety rather than the bland all-year-round supply that so many townies have come to expect.

And who for one minute is going to believe that the French farmers or Dutch greenhouse growers are going to tolerate anyone putting some new and unneeded barrier to their food going on the market in Britain. I cannot see Britain putting up those barriers unless it is in retaliation to unreasonableness from the EU Commission. I cannot see the French farmers putting up with nonsense like that from Brussels. This is scaremongering to the extreme.

But then, think of the poor Spanish who might have 'Brussels barriers' hindering their supply of seafood from Scotland. Now that would be good story for the BBC to report on. Will they do so? I very, very much doubt it. So they'll stick to the likes of their sandwich tosh.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 18:16
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
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As for UK food prior to us joining the EU ...
That implies UK food before 1 Nov 1993. There was no EU before that.

I can remember extremely good quality fresh food in the '80s.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 18:27
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There seems to be a sudden burst of fear from our Brexit colleagues that their Shangri-la is about to be snatched from their grasp at the last moment.

Don't worry chaps, you can sleep easy. It's gone too far to be stopped now.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 18:30
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
There seems to be a sudden burst of fear from our Brexit colleagues that their Shangri-la is about to be snatched from their grasp at the last moment.

Don't worry chaps, you can sleep easy. It's gone too far to be stopped now.
EXCELLENT news!! I'll be able to sleep so much better in this heat now!
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