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Old 18th Jul 2018, 13:33
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The only reason JRM holds any clout at all is because of Labourís cynical parliamentary wrecking tactics. Even though both main parties favour a softish Brexit, Corbynís unprincipled behaviour may well result in the hardest no-deal exit
Sorry, not a great fan of Corbyn but you cannot call him unprincipled. He has held the same views on EU membership for the past 4 decades - he wants out. He has said numerous times that he doesn't want to be in the Single Market or Customs Union.

In fact if he did what you suggested then he really would be unprincipled.
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Old 18th Jul 2018, 18:00
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Sorry, not a great fan of Corbyn but you cannot call him unprincipled. He has held the same views on EU membership for the past 4 decades - he wants out. He has said numerous times that he doesn't want to be in the Single Market or Customs Union.
Say what you like about JC but I agree.. one point in his favour (at least in many peoples eyes) is that he rarely if ever changes his position/conviction on anything, his euroscepticism is pretty well known but not advertised...
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Old 18th Jul 2018, 18:46
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I don't think it is in his favour. You need to adjust your standpoint to move with the times. The best illustration of this is that Labour currently have a 4% lead on average. Against a similarly beleaguered Tory government Blair had a lead that at times nudged 30%.
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Old 18th Jul 2018, 19:24
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I don't think it is in his favour. You need to adjust your standpoint to move with the times. The best illustration of this is that Labour currently have a 4% lead on average. Against a similarly beleaguered Tory government Blair had a lead that at times nudged 30%.
Yeahbut if Corbyn had a lead of 30% he might actually win, and nobody disagrees that he's shit-scared of power and that's the last thing he wants.
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Old 18th Jul 2018, 22:05
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and nobody disagrees that he's shit-scared of power and that's the last thing he wants.
What an absurd thing to say!
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Old 18th Jul 2018, 22:54
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Yeah but if Corbyn had a lead of 30% he might actually win, and nobody disagrees that he's shit-scared of power and that's the last thing he wants.
Don't be so sure, the ideological framework that he and others have been fondly nurturing the last thirty odd years once seemed like a hopeless dream. Now they see that it could become reality don't expect them to stay big softies, they are in it now with every fibre of their bodies, they want power.

And if you are anti-Corbyn (I am not UK based and don't care either way) understand he is just the figurehead of deeply held sentiment that goes way beyond a few superficial changes in public ownership, this will be change like the UK has NEVER seen.

Exciting times.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 00:45
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
And if you are anti-Corbyn (I am not UK based and don't care either way) understand he is just the figurehead of deeply held sentiment that goes way beyond a few superficial changes in public ownership, this will be change like the UK has NEVER seen.

Exciting times.
Nah - nothing that Corbyn is advocating is anything that hasn't been tried (and failed) in the past. After WW2 the UK had 4 decades of politicians trying to control the commanding heights of the economy - they all failed and Corbyn isnt suggesting trying anything different.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 10:27
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True the Corbyn agenda is not that dissimilar to the aspirations of the post war Labour administrations, much of which would have been advocated by such people as. Harold Wilson, Jim Callaghan and Denis Healey. The difference is that those politicians were essentially pragmatists whereas Corbyn remains an idealist. In many ways Corbyn represents the worst of both worlds with a hard Brexit and industry hitting policies. But it has to be borne in mind that the enabler to all this is one D Cameron. I agree with Chris Patten that history will not judge him well.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 12:57
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Yeahbut if Corbyn had a lead of 30% he might actually win, and nobody disagrees that he's shit-scared of power and that's the last thing he wants.
Hmmm ?...so how do you reconcile being scared of power with this report then ?

Or is this political posturing given an election will be sooner rather than later anyway.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-snap-election
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 13:35
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When do the Jet Blast cognoscenti think May will be gone by this time, as they got it so wrong last year and earlier this year, noted by the fact she is still hanging in there, secondly when do you think the next election will be?
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 15:19
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Exrigger: A report on t'wireless a couple of days ago pointed out that on that day, May was making a speech in Farnborough, bigging up aviation and promising to dole out large lumps of wonga.
Exaclt 2 years prior, David Cameron was at Farnborough, making similar sorts of speeches when he discovered May was going to replace him.
Who knows?
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 15:24
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For all her faults May is probably the least-worst of all available leaders right now. Itís hard to see how a change of party leader, or even change of ruling party helps Brexit: Labour donít appear to have any coherent strategy beyond opposing whatever the government do.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 16:35
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
When do the Jet Blast cognoscenti think May will be gone by this time, as they got it so wrong last year and earlier this year, noted by the fact she is still hanging in there, secondly when do you think the next election will be?
The JB cognoscenti are of the opinion that, whilst she is useless, she's still acceptable. As the cognoscenti comprise Mail readers / ex Mil and a motely collection of other societal dysfunctional contributors who inhabit Wisteria Avenue located in Nirvana, this is not surprising.

She has been grasping at straws, presumably legacies from her frolics in a wheat field, for some time and it's something of a political miracle she's survived really.

Given the resounding success of the last snap election, it would be strange if she called another. However, her own party are still happily disintegrating so at some point she will have to go, sooner rather than later if they expect to win the next election. That said, they'll probably keep her as the token gesture she is now until after March next year when the incompetence begins to unravel and a convenient scapegoat is required to be presented to the public by way of explanation as to the UK's dire future.

Apparently, she will be venturing forth across the nation soon.....these ventures generally don't succeed as they require contact with the lower echelons of society ..or voters if you prefer.....to explain the fallacies and myths about what happened at a certain stately pile near Wendover....this could be quite entertaining actually.

Sadly, at the next election there will be no UKIP contenders to provide much needed hilarity.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 16:51
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post

Sadly, at the next election there will be no UKIP contenders to provide much needed hilarity.
No need to worry, weíll have Labour candidates for that.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 16:53
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Labour donít appear to have any coherent strategy beyond opposing whatever the government do.
Well, they don't oppose the government on Brexit do they (apart from the occasional irrelevant tiny detail, for show). They have the exact same strategy as the government, which swings by the minute between "stock up on food" and "don't worry, it'll all be wonderful when your free rainbow coloured flying unicorn arrives".

Oh, sorry, I missed that you included the word "coherent" ...
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 16:57
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
She has been grasping at straws, presumably legacies from her frolics in a wheat field, for some time and it's something of a political miracle she's survived really.
The timescales are getting shorter. Each time she kicks the can down the road (which is all she's ever done) it goes less far - no longer does she get a year at a time, or months, or weeks, or even days: she's now so desperate that her event horizon is hours. Anything that kicks the can down the road for just another few hours (eg breaking pairing, or the failed attempt to send MPs on holiday early) is the best she can do, and what happens next will have to be worried about later.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 17:27
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
For all her faults May is probably the least-worst of all available leaders right now. Itís hard to see how a change of party leader, or even change of ruling party helps Brexit: Labour donít appear to have any coherent strategy beyond opposing whatever the government do.
Well Labour are more interested in redefining Antisemitism, the Lib-Dems cant even be bothered to turn up and the Irish PM is losing the plot completely and threatening to close Irish airspace to UK airlines.

May is starting to look quite sensible really compared.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 17:52
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The JB cognoscenti are of the opinion that, whilst she is useless, she's still acceptable. As the cognoscenti comprise Mail readers / ex Mil and a motely collection of other societal dysfunctional contributors who inhabit Wisteria Avenue located in Nirvana, this is not surprising.
Which of the above Pidgeon holes do you occupy then Krystal?
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 05:22
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Which of the above Pidgeon holes do you occupy then Krystal?
Well to answer your question and appease the semantics / pedants on here, ex Mil in the sense I worked for the RAF, but certainly not ex Mil with regard to becoming institutionalised for the rest of my life along with having an atrophied mind.

Thankfully, I don't fit into any convenient pigeonhole in respect of whom I am....... and never have.

Back to why the UK's future is in safe hands......caution : contains satire

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-brexit-block
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 05:51
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Well to answer your question and appease the semantics / pedants on here, ex Mil in the sense I worked for the RAF, but certainly not ex Mil with regard to becoming institutionalised for the rest of my life along with having an atrophied mind.

Thankfully, I don't fit into any convenient pigeonhole in respect of whom I am....... and never have.
Again with the generalisations, so you alone avoided becoming institutionalised for the rest of your life, along with not having an atrophied mind, thanks for that, the rest of us have to live with those deficiencies apparently, and there are a rather lot of us too that you have insulted as being lesser mortals than yourself, comes across as either arrogance, or a superiority complex, both worse traits.
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