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Old 11th Jul 2018, 19:03
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
If you believe Nissan, or any other manufacturer would move production to France, you should cut down on what you're smoking.
Have you ever stopped to ponder why currently, no others apart from Peugeot, Citroen and Renault make their cars there and have many of their vehicles made elsewhere? Inflexible labour laws, a beligerant and militant workforce who would shut you down at the drop of a beret would ensure that any industry executive who suggested such a project would be sent for mental evaluation. On any day, I will have a dozen tradesmen working on my projects and they are all subcontractors. The thought of employing them directly would stop me sleeping at night.

Absolutely true.

I always used to say that my pension would be the book I'd write about how many of the UK's, US and other countries' best run companies have lost billions in France.

As the old saying goes -

Losing money playing poker with friends is fun.
Losing money playing roulette in Monte Carlo is style.
Losing money investing in France is inevitable.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 20:14
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Originally Posted by Dr Jekyll View Post
He used the word yes, but so did you. It's the context that matters.
Correct. I've heard Jamaicans refer to their children as "pickney".
Pickney | Patois Definition on Jamaican Patwah
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 20:42
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On 50% of the trucks leaving UK empty, how many empty trucks arrive?

How many hauliers operate like tramp steamers going port to port seeking out cargoes? Your truck bringing fresh produce from, say, Spain will be needed back in Spain for the next batch of veg rather than taking British spuds to Germany.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 20:56
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
On 50% of the trucks leaving UK empty, how many empty trucks arrive?

How many hauliers operate like tramp steamers going port to port seeking out cargoes? Your truck bringing fresh produce from, say, Spain will be needed back in Spain for the next batch of veg rather than taking British spuds to Germany.

It was something like 4% if I recall correctly - still can't find the link again - almost all of them UK refridgerated trucks returning empty from delivering fish into the EU and which are too specialised for ' tramp ' work.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 22:27
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Re Boris Johnson: OK. Let's see about context here then:
"Right. Let's go and see some more piccaninnies".
The context here was talking to Swedish UNICEF workers and their black driver during a visit to Uganda.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 09:07
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Trump parks his tank on the SNP's front lawn...




https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...n-in-aberdeen/
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 12:19
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An Iranian man has been tied to a tree and publicity flogged with 80 lashes for drinking alcohol ten years ago when he was a 14yo boy.

It will be interesting to hear Corbyn's reaction to this monstrous human rights violation. Or maybe not, as he is a paid mouthpiece for Iranian state television.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 08:57
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https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/07/1...e-says-rees-m/

What a two faced slimy hypocrite!

I sincerely hope that Mrs. May does an interview with USA Today in which she tell the Americans how to run their country, with particular regard to gun laws and global warming. See how he likes it.

He (Trump) is totally unfit for the office to which he was elected, that has proven twice in the last week with his lies and half truths on German energy matters, and his allegations about crime and terrorism in London. Can't wait for Putin to bring him down a peg or two - someone needs to.

As for trade negotiations, he totally misunderstands the proposals in May's plan, he would be negotiating with the UK not the EU, but the UK wouldn't be the desperate negotiating partner it would be if we walked away from the EU with now deal - that is why he likes the no deal option.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 09:05
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I think Alan Duncan also merits the "two faced slimy hypocrite" label. I listened to him on Radio 4 this morning defending Trump's anti UK government and anti Theresa May comments, saying he didn't find Trump's comments rude.
Trump had the audacity to claim he "told May how to run her Brexit strategy but she didn't listen to me"! Who the bloody hell does he think he is? He is a guest in this country and should try the application of some common manners. Whatever he thinks of Theresa May or Brexit, there are ways of doing this sort of thing. I winder if his pair of brain cells have done the algebra re comments such as this and the flying baby balloon and figured it out yet?
I have never been and never will be a supporter of May but today I am totally on her side.
I see Trump has just been dropped off at Sandhurst. Quick lads, lock the gates!
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 09:35
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So Obama drops into the UK, in the middle of the the referendum campaign, and - at the instigation of David Cameron and not as an independent opinion - states that if the people vote for Brexit the UK will be “at the back of the queue” for a trade deal. Buts that’s OK.

Trump, who has long been a Brexit supporter and offered the UK a trade deal when it leaves the EU, states his honest opinion that the proposal put forward by May tying the UK to EU import regulations and standards is a bad deal and will write-off the chances of a UK-USA deal. And somehow that is a unwarranted intrusion into UK affairs?

There might be double-standards - but not on the part of President Trump......

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Old 13th Jul 2018, 09:42
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ORAC, the devil is in the detail, which Trump has not yet been privy to, so his slamming of the proposal would seem to be a bit premature. But of course that's modern politics for you... His statement to the Sun reporters could of course also been seen as a precursor to negotiations.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 10:04
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Personally the Chequers Accord more or less addresses my worries with Brexit. It's not hard, in fact I see it as very soft. OTOH I think that possibly Boris and probably Nige are risking a charge of treachery with their encouragement. Of The Donald. The balloon btw is pathetic. I wonder if Sadiq Khan would have given permission for a pig shaped inflatable in the image of a Muslim leader. By his reasoning it would be ok.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 10:29
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
So Obama drops into the UK, in the middle of the the referendum campaign, and - at the instigation of David Cameron and not as an independent opinion - states that if the people vote for Brexit the UK will be “at the back of the queue” for a trade deal. Buts that’s OK.

Trump, who has long been a Brexit supporter and offered the UK a trade deal when it leaves the EU, states his honest opinion that the proposal put forward by May tying the UK to EU import regulations and standards is a bad deal and will write-off the chances of a UK-USA deal. And somehow that is a unwarranted intrusion into UK affairs?

There might be double-standards - but not on the part of President Trump......
Neither should have opened their mouths, but Trump has gone a deal further than Obama did, suggesting that he had told Mrs. May how to handle Brexit - Obama merely gave his opinion on what would be best for the UK.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 10:50
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I agree. Sadiq Khan's justification for the balloon is risible. He has the same Statesman-like credentials as The Donald. Actually, arguably less...
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 11:01
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Personally the Chequers Accord more or less addresses my worries with Brexit. It's not hard, in fact I see it as very soft. OTOH I think that possibly Boris and probably Nige are risking a charge of treachery with their encouragement. Of The Donald. The balloon btw is pathetic. I wonder if Sadiq Khan would have given permission for a pig shaped inflatable in the image of a Muslim leader. By his reasoning it would be ok.
Treachery? I think the traitor and person who has publicly and brazenly sold us down the river is the current PM.

This from Martin Howes QC is worth a look

This briefing document by Martin Howe QC is being circulated by Brexiteer MPs. It says that the government’s white paper commits to binding ECJ jurisdiction in Britain and concludes:

The repeated claims made by the government and the Prime Minister over the last few days that the Chequers proposals would result in “Restoring the supremacy of British courts by ending the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice in the UK” (point 9 in letter from TM to DD in response to his resignation letter) are therefore not true. The supremacy of British courts is certainly not restored. The jurisdiction of the ECJ “in” the UK is only ended in the sense that the route by which the ECJ will continue to exercise its supremacy over British courts is via the international joint reference procedure rather than by direct references from British courts.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 11:03
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Personally the Chequers Accord more or less addresses my worries with Brexit. .
That's because it isn't Brexit. It's Brino.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 14:47
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Originally Posted by Dan_Brown View Post
What a breath of fresh air that chap Trump is. He has said;

Immgration has destroyed Europe.

Khan hasn't helped in the prevention of terrorism.

Boris would make a good PM.

May is in the process of destroying Brexit.

and most other utterances coming from him are right on the money. Wish he would sort this lot out over here.
which is why only 17% of the UK Population like him I guess. he's a monster - would you leave him alone with your Mrs, your sister or your daughter???
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 14:51
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry View Post
which is why only 17% of the UK Population like him I guess.
I don't particularly like Trump. But he's certainly the best US president since Reagan, and could easily turn out to be the best of my lifetime, since he has six more years to go (and Reagan, despite his successes, was talked into signing some awful bills that wrecked America).
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 14:53
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I am not going to put up an argument on that one. As a non voter at the referendum I could see advantages and disadvantages to both options. As far as I am concerned Chequers, ( I won't use "Accord" again because discord would more accurately represent it) addresses the main drawbacks of Brexit that I could envisage. I can see how for those the big issues were sovereignty and the ECJ that getting hot under the collar is inevitable though.
What it seems to have done mainly is to move the 48/52 result to a 48/26/26 result. The 52% being split virtually equally between those who can accept Chequers and those who cannot. Ironically something brought about to prevent a schism in The Tory Party has ended up turning a schism into a canyon.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 14:54
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That was in reply to HH's post btw.
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