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Old 10th Mar 2018, 07:39
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The Spectator: Anti-Semitism fatigue is now a normal part of British politics

How did it come to this? Here we are, in 2018, in modern, democratic, fair-minded Britain, and what happens when it turns out the leader of the Labour Party was a member of a secret Facebook group awash with anti-Semitic comments? Not a lot really.

As the political editor of the Jewish Chronicle, I have been writing about Jeremy Corbyn’s associations with anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers and radical clerics since long before he became leader of the opposition. I have also lost count of the number of stories I have written on Labour MPs, councillors, activists and supporters linked to Jew-hate since the summer of 2015. When I saw the work of David Collier – an unassuming, quiet, personable researcher – on Wednesday morning, I have to admit, even I reacted with a shrug. His exposé of hundreds of offensive and anti-Semitic posts from the Palestine Live Facebook group uncovered the sort of material I have seen countless times before from such collectives – how the Rothschilds ‘invented the Holocaust hoax’, Mossad carried out the 9/11 attacks, and an article titled ‘why the Jews are the unrepentant destroyers of all that’s decent on the planet’.

Except this time there is one key added feature – not just the presence, but the active participation, of Mr Corbyn. Cue media scrum, right? - Wrong.

First the Jewish media covered it online. Some commentators picked it up, and by Wednesday evening there were the first national newspaper pieces, tucked away inside. But since then there has been little further coverage and little further reaction – from Labour moderates, the Tories or anyone else – aside from the usual Twitter storm. Certainly by this lunchtime, more than 48 hours after the story broke, I have seen no sign of any coverage on mainstream BBC or ITV television news bulletins. John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor, managed to get his lines mixed up in a brief spot on Sky News this morning, further clouding what exactly Mr Corbyn knew and when, even while the facts appear to be in front of us. Such revelations about the man who is favourite to be our next Prime Minister would once have been on every front page and led the nightly news. But we have passed that point.

Anti-Semitism fatigue grips us all, public and media alike. And is it any wonder? Barely a day goes by without another ‘Labour anti-Semitism’ story. The most prominent case – Ken Livingstone’s Hitler comments – has become a form of running joke, with supposedly comic Twitter accounts and websites following the saga as though it were light entertainment rather than Holocaust revisionism from one of the country’s most recognisable politicians.

Perhaps some of the slow response comes down simply to timing – the Sergei Skripal spy story is understandably of huge national and international interest; the Brexit debate is never-ending; even in the Jewish community, the Chief Rabbi’s intervention in an ongoing saga over a controversial coroner meant Mr Corbyn did not make it on to the front page of this week’s Jewish Chronicle.

A point will come where we have to decide, as a society, whether we really care about this age-old prejudice. When political leaders say they do not tolerate anti-Semitism, that they will not entertain Jew-hate in their parties, do they really mean it or are they simply offering glib soundbites? And will they be held to account, or let off the hook?

Whether this week’s revelations about Mr Corbyn come to be seen as that turning point we cannot yet know; but all the evidence so far suggests not.
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 22:03
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The topic that shall not be mentioned..

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-over-brexit

Boris Johnson has publicly clashed with Emmanuel Macron over Brexit, rebutting the French president’s invitation to Indian students to “gain access to Europe” by boasting of the increase in their numbers arriving in the UK...
Overseas students provide a huge economic input to the economy, with Universities UK estimating they contribute about £25bn a year and support about 200,000 jobs around the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...k-firms-banned

An advertising campaign from the Normandy government urging British businesses to flee across the Channel to escape Brexit has been banned by Transport for London because it may cause “public controversy or sensitivity”.

The adverts urging entrepreneurs worried about the UK’s departure from the EU to “vote with their feet” will run in national newspapers, including the Guardian, this week. But they will not be carried on public transport in the capital after TfL said the ads “did not fully comply” with its advertising guidelines.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lais-port-boss
The boss of the port of Calais has said there could be tailbacks up to 30 miles in all directions and potential food shortages in Britain if a Brexit deal involves mandatory customs and sanitary checks at the French ferry terminal.

Jean-Marc Puissesseau made an impassioned plea to Theresa May and Michel Barnier to put plans in place immediately to avert congestion in Calais and Dover, where bosses have already warned of permanent 20-mile tailbacks.
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 22:30
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Originally Posted by Jetex_Jim View Post
tailbacks up to 30 miles in all directions
Easy peasy. Fine them for parking on the motorway and require them to move on somewhere else and clear the road. Allow parking only in lorry parks, not on roads. Sensible hauliers will soon learn not to set off in the first place if they don't have a lorry parking space reserved.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 11:26
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Jean-Marc Puissesseau made an impassioned plea to Theresa May and Michel Barnier to put plans in place immediately to avert congestion in Calais and Dover,
I would suggest plans for Calais and other French ports are the responsibility of the French government. I note the Dutch government is already making arrangements to recruit additional customs staff and install customs facilities.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 16:14
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Great political aspirations of our time

There's nothing like optimism really, and being unaware of life outside the village of Westminster to boot.

This could get very problematic very quickly....

UK should set date for everyone to speak English, says Casey - BBC News

Lets think...there's the Birmingham version ( indecipherable ) Yorkshire ( unfathomable ) Essex ( illiterate ) before we even begin with some of the others.


And the bit about the North....that's hilarious, but not if you live or come from this uncharted wilderness as it's a very long way from the end of the Northern or Metropolitan Lines where civilisation ends, because the North / South divide has existed for many years, exacerbated by.....Tory policy.

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Old 12th Mar 2018, 17:12
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It's funny then, how despite 13 years of Labour government, such a divide still exists.......
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 18:00
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Well it actually got worse, but best we ignore that..
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 18:18
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
It's funny then, how despite 13 years of Labour government, such a divide still exists.......
Not really, at least not if you actually have an understanding of what the term means, how broad a spectrum it encompasses and why it's been around for a couple of centuries.... which, presumably, you don't.

Here's an overview for starters.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-a7484046.html
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 18:18
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Labour no longer represents Scotland, increasingly does not represent the North, and has never represented the South. They constituency is increasingly the metropolitan centres of the 5 or 6 major cities and those towns depending on academia and workers in major public funded agencies and organisations.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 06:09
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For those missing the topic that shall not be mentioned, ARSE has a whole subgroup of threads devoted to it.

https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/forums/brexit.218/

Thread topics(with some very busy threads) include, is the EU about to collapse? What will happen to expats post Brexit. Gibraltar and Brexit and many more.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 13:46
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Most countries forecasts are up. However from often being in the lead compared to other EU countries we now appear to be ahead of only Italy. Bit like a football manager boasting in a post match interview about the 2 wonderful goals his side scored while neglecting to mention the 4 the opposition managed!
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 14:35
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How did it come to this? Here we are, in 2018, in modern, democratic, fair-minded Britain, and what happens when it turns out the leader of the Labour Party was a member of a secret Facebook group awash with anti-Semitic comments? Not a lot really.

The amount of prejudice shown openly on Jet Blast makes JC look like a saint.

Glass house...stones, etc.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 14:45
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When the whole of Tory Party membership would fit into Wembley and allow quite a bit of space for spectaors I think their cnhace of winning the next election is not encouraging.. especially when you look at the age profile

The press can huff & puff as much as they like but I sense a real shift leftwards all over the UK
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 14:50
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Such as?
Really, where have you been?

I understand he can do no wrong in some peoples eyes but the hero worshiping is becoming quite cringeworthy now.
If that was directed at me, where did I mention I supported him or his position on Israel/jews?
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 23:09
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I criticised Corbyn and Momentum last night, my sister hit back and underlined that her other half is a member of Momentum. When I criticised that (B-I-L is a really nice bloke) she admitted that he is seriously reconsidering his membership.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 12:33
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The second part wasn't directed at you.
Fair enough.


Anyway, PMQs.

Dear Mrs May the word is Ensure, nor INsure.

Thankyou.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 12:39
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Light at the end of the tunnel:

‘I am pleased to report to the House on a UK economy that has grown in every year since 2010.’
Chancellor Philip Hammond
‘Today we have the indefensible spectacle of a Chancellor congratulating himself on marginally improved economic forecasts, while refusing to lift a finger as councils go bust and the NHS and social care are in crisis.’
John McDonnell, Shadow Chancellor
‘Businesses will be encouraged by the Chancellor’s report on the UK’s fiscal health . . . yet as deficit and debt levels improve, the Chancellor must resist calls to pour money into politically-attractive, short-term spending priorities.'
Dr Adam Marshall, Director General of the British Chambers of Commerce
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 13:26
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Such as?

I hope you were not expecting an answer. Sweeping statements that cant be substantiated seem to be the norm.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 16:11
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Prophead: If true, that article seems a slam dunk for the CPS of either theft or fraud or something requiring the funds from his estate to be frozen, reclaimed and redistributed to the families of the needy original recipients. It was dated March 10th. What follow up?
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 20:06
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POLITICO, European based and an opponent of Brexit, and certainly not a ConservTive supporting site....

UK’s Russophile-in-chief fails sanctions test

”LONDON — There was one dissenting voice when Theresa May announced she was kicking out Russian diplomats — and it didn’t belong to Vladimir Putin.

In the House of Commons on Wednesday, the prime minister received almost unanimous support for her handling of the attempted assassination of Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter. While her sanctions were not as tough as they could have been, and were condemned as “hostile” by Moscow, they managed the rare feat of uniting MPs of all stripes behind her. Except for Jeremy Corbyn, that is.....

While the House of Commons does not always accurately reflect the political divisions in British society, the overwhelming anger at the Labour leader may yet prove decisive for the prime minister, reopening old wounds in the Labour Party and uniting the Tories against the enemy at the gates. One Conservative minister said Corbyn had strengthened May’s hand in parliament — which still holds the future of Britain’s relationship with Europe, and the government’s survival, in its hands.

Conservative MPs who are deeply uneasy with May’s Brexit agenda may feel unable to vote against the government on key amendments or the final deal with Brussels for fear of easing Corbyn’s path to power, he said, adding: “The anger on my side was palpable. Corbyn is not fit to govern and many on his side agree with us.”......

On the Labour benches, MP after MP stood up to side with the prime minister rather than their own leader. Ben Bradshaw, a former minister and long-time Corbyn critic, rose to tell May “most of us on these benches fully support the measures that are being taken.”

A spokesman for Corbyn later cast doubt on the government’s claims that the Russian state was responsible for the attack. “The break-up of the Soviet state led to all sorts of material ending up in random hands,” the spokesman said. “There is a history of WMDs [weapons of mass destruction] and intelligence which is problematic.”

The result: Corbyn has found himself split from his party again, as if his triumphant exceeding of expectations during the 2017 general election never happened. Shortly after the debate, one Labour MP texted: “Jeremy Corbyn is a danger man and those around him are dangerous people. National security was always his Achilles heel. He does not speak for me.” Another Labour MP — a shadow minister — said Corbyn’s response was “Student Union, pro-Soviet nonsense.”

Labour MPs quickly put down a motion backing the government’s contention that Russia was responsible, in defiance of their leader.........

https://order-order.com/2018/03/14/p...tes-agent-cob/
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