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Old 29th Jan 2018, 08:49
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Originally Posted by Mike6567 View Post
Another idea for Mr Corbyn.

How about nationalising Premier Inns - I think they have 65,000 rooms.
Corbyns Labour Party has over 550,000 members. If even half of them have a spare room, then how could any of them object to taking a homeless person in?
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
ZFT, I agree!
Aaaw ....it's probably a benign side effect because of my, ahem, social circles.

Anyway, Behind Blue Eyes makes a very salient point. In recent interviews, many of the homeless have said they really feel safer on the streets than in hostels and the prospect of living, and coping with, a home and the associated responsibilities can overwhelm them.

Which means, that, for any Gov't that is serious about the rise in homeless people, investment in support networks is going to be essential.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 09:09
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
It is just another daft Labour idea that sounds good but has not been thought through.

There are many people on the street than are there due to relationship breakdown or other unplanned change in life. These people need help and there are hostels and housing associations for just that. Getting these individuals to go to one of these new flats will be the same process as getting them into the system now. It still needs somebody to find them, talk to them and let them know how to go about getting help and what is available.

Then there are those with mental issues, these people need to be in a hospital or other treatment facility. Facilities our wonderful NHS cannot provide as it is stretched to the limit. Putting them in a flat and waving goodbye would not be the answer at all.

Then there are the others, the drunks, drug addicts etc. who are homeless because they have been kicked out of every form of accommodation they have been given. There is a shelter opposite one of the sites I work at. The police are almost in constant attendance, new windows are smashed every day/night and there is almost always someone outside screaming and shouting at something or other.

Who is going to police these people once they move in? Who will stop them turning it into a crack den or brothel? Why would you subject that onto the little old lady next door that has lived there years?

As with a number of these issues, the answer is there for those willing to face up to it. Stop letting unskilled homeless people into the country and put more effort into stopping illegal immigration. we would then have enough beds and flats for our homeless without having to rob from housing associations.
Well, apart from the hilarious initial post about not including airline staff....that's not going to be a vote winner there then....it took a mere 15 posts before ?.....yep, immigration gets a mention.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
And you refute that immigration both legal and illegal has any effect on homeless numbers because???
Because.....

https://www.theguardian.com/housing-...ss-eu-migrants

We're pretty good at simply incarcerating them as well.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 09:35
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Mere political grandstanding just like the promise to abolish university tuition fees. Define "homeless".
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 10:21
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Prophead, stop trying to spoil a good headline with common sense!
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 10:24
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Someone suggested some homeless prefer the security of the street to a Hostel. In some hostels I think walls are cheap stud partition and open to damage from frustration.

Now some are supposed to be ex-Service with mental health issues.

A solution would be to provide a robust bedroom with a secure door. As for coping, communal facilities including laundry, kitchen etc. In fact very similar to the facilities in the 60s.

Redundant barracks could form the basis for such facilities.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 10:42
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
yep, immigration gets a mention.


What percentage of rough sleepers in London are immigrants and what impact do you foresee following Jeremy's Sunday soundbite ? Will the camps in Calais full of hopefuls trying to escape France be able to cope ?


Turning back to the practicalities, how will JC pay for heating, lighting, water and property maintenance not to mention furniture, cookers, fridges, bedding, crockery, cutlery etc. etc ? I presume housing associations are to be relieved of any empty properties they hold as emergency reserves.


Absolutely brilliant, what could possibly go wrong ?
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Redundant barracks could form the basis for such facilities.
Councils have been offered unused married quarters when bases were shut down.

They refused them because they were sub standard.

Good enough for servicemen and their families though.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 16:06
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Councils have been offered unused married quarters when bases were shut down.

They refused them because they were sub standard.

Good enough for servicemen and their families though.
Siti old boy....you may want to read this article, and this debacle has been widely publicised and discussed, certainly on here on the Mil. thread as to whom is responsible for the sub-standard accommodation not forgetting who else but, Carillion, also getting a "less than honourable " mention within "Private Eye", many times.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...ster-guy-hands

And, for Prophead.....you may note, that, what the Mail says isn't quite as matters stand....

https://www.theguardian.com/housing-...housing-crisis
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 16:47
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It's no good banging on about "the left trying to highlight the plight..." Didn't a certain Mrs May of Westminster also have a go at highlighting the plight, promising new homes etc and, while she was about it, taking care of the "Just About Managing" class?
By the way, the initial post was somewhat misleading. Corbyn said his government would BUY 8,000 properties. He has never said his party would appropriate them.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 17:24
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
By the way, the initial post was somewhat misleading. Corbyn said his government would BUY 8,000 properties. He has never said his party would appropriate them.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-corbyn-video

Requisition: an official order laying claim to the use of property or materials.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 21:57
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The thread kicked off with a claim that Corbyn would take 8,000 homes. The Corbyn interview on Andrew Marr shows Corbyn stating, in English, that his government would BUY 8,000 homes.
The requisition issue was a separate one and he was quite clear in what he said. He would give local authorities the power to examine homes being deliberately kept empty and to take appropriate action, including taking possession. This may of course include compulsory purchase.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 09:14
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Does it really matter what words he used? It isn't going to happen anyway.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 10:20
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AIUI, properties in East Germany were State owned.
How did this happen?
Did the State just declare the original owners void?
Did occupiers pay rent to the State?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 11:26
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
He would give local authorities the power to examine homes being deliberately kept empty and to take appropriate action, including taking possession. This may of course include compulsory purchase.
This power already exists, but without money it's useless. So this announcement makes exactly no difference to the current situation?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 13:08
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
He would give local authorities the power to examine homes being deliberately kept empty and to take appropriate action, including taking possession. This may of course include compulsory purchase.

But local Councils already have the power to Compulsory Purchase unused houses and have had for decades.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 15:19
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Money or no money; what is the difference (other than the numbers) Corbyn's statement and those from the retiree-in-waiting Mrs May? Hasn't she said more than a few times, that her government will build x thousand homes in the next couple of years? I don't recall the number now but it was considerably more than the 8,000 Corbyn said he would buy.
So, if Labour have no magic money tree, then where do the Tories get theirs from? The local garden centre? Hint to Corbyn; when you locate the Tory money tree, nick it!
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 17:32
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This should be fun to watch....

https://order-order.com/2018/01/30/l...-sues-lansman/

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Old 31st Jan 2018, 06:02
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Housing.....currently in vogue here on JB, thus we await the analysis from the faithful acolytes as to the benefits of privatisation and financial losses incurred as a result of such a venture....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-audit-office
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