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Old 19th May 2010, 11:52
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Another one on the way to the courts....

MPs expenses: Re-elected Labour MP Eric Illsley charged over his expenses claims - Telegraph

To me, the timing of this smells. After all, the announcement that another Labour MP had been caught with his fingers in the till prior to 6th May would not have helped the party, would it?
It is extremely important that nothing should be reported which could prejudice his trial.
Should that not read "It is extremely important that nothing should be reported which could harm his chances of re-election.
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Old 19th May 2010, 11:58
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since 1997 the NHS has improved out of recognition compared to pre Blair
Thats not hard to do, just borrow 163bn more than the country earns. Now try and make the improvements using only the money we actually earn.
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Old 19th May 2010, 12:16
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Indeed, Yakker. I have a good friend who works for the NHS. His take is that there has been some improvement since 1997 but nowhere near enough to justify the doubling of expenditure on the NHS.
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Old 19th May 2010, 12:23
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My wife works in the NHS (Cardiology) and what people dont realise or appreciate is that funding was already being cut before the election.
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Old 20th May 2010, 07:33
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Labour and the NHS

Locally, the improvements in the NHS over the last five years were to cancel the building of a new hospital, to close the existing local hospital and to "tart up" an existing hospital several miles away to serve the three counties of Beds, Herts & Bucks. All this, while putting an additional 10,000 homes into the borough. Unsurprisingly the constituency returned a Conservative MP with an 11.6% swing giving him more votes than all the other candidates put together. Now, that's democracy in action and, pray tell me, what was the biggest concern on the doorsteps? Yes, the hospital closure. So much for Labour and the NHS.
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Old 20th May 2010, 08:56
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Healthcare is a bottomless pit.With an aging population and the quantity of expensive life prolonging treatment available you could put any amount of money in and still need more.My point was that the Blair government directed resources towards the NHS and the general good.

The alternative is to go entirely private as in the US.I could afford to pay I admit.My immediate family has no immediate serious health problems and I suppose a couple of grand a year would cover it,and of course I presume there would be some saving on taxes.

The downside is that maybe towards half the population would be left with no health service at all.
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Old 20th May 2010, 12:04
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At least the new lot are sweeping out some of the trash left behind.

ID cards, HIPs etc., but I fear this is just window dressing and we will not like what's coming.
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Old 20th May 2010, 12:14
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The downside is that maybe towards half the population would be left with no health service at all
Mainly those who must be punished for not voting for this lot then?

I heard this morning that Council Tax will be frozen for England (wan't really listening again) , if correct, means the rest of the UK can be caned by a government they didn't elect?


Edited to correct grammar.

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Old 20th May 2010, 12:45
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"The alternative is to go entirely private as in the US."

No, it's not. There are many systems inbetween, it is not one or the other like Labour would have us believe.

"again, if correct, means the rest of the UK can be caned by a government they didn't elect?"

Wow, how unfair. It would be like Scottish or Welsh MPs voting on legislation that only affects England, which would never happen, would it?

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Old 20th May 2010, 12:48
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My point was that the Blair government directed resources towards the NHS and the general good.
A&E Closures stopped. And not just in London either...

Quite how closing A&E units was directing resources towards the NHS is a bit of a mystery. Perhaps a spin doctor could explain it. Where's Alastair Campbell when you need him?

In our constituency the government's closure of our local hospital was the No.1 major campaign issue. The main part has already been closed and the loss of our local A&E and Maternity was in progress but will not now go ahead as planned by the previous government.

As to the options available, Nick Riviera is right, there are lots of options. Personally I like the Singapore model. I've used it and it works.
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Old 20th May 2010, 12:59
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My point was that the Blair government directed resources towards the NHS and the general good.
Oh, really?

Family GP earning 500,000 fortune thanks to new-style contracts | Mail Online
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Old 20th May 2010, 13:37
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It would be like Scottish or Welsh MPs voting on legislation that only affects England, which would never happen, would it?
There is NO legislation that only affects England, as it's all funded from UK expenditure, so the costs are borne across the UK. MPs from English constituencies get to vote on the Scottish block grant. If there was an English block grant, then I'd happily write to every Scottish MP telling them to stay out of "English-only" legislation, but there isn't, so I won't.

Edit: p.s. Who voted for the poll tax to be implemented in Scotland?
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Old 20th May 2010, 14:03
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In fairness, it was pointed out a number of years back that the instigator of the Poll Tax was in fact a Scot.

One of those not returned to Westminster.
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Old 20th May 2010, 14:47
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Well, the poll tax was proposed by academics, Mason & Pirie, and Mason was indeed a Scot. However, the implementation was in the Conservative manifesto in 1987, and was voted through as part of the Local Government Finance Act in 1988 for implementation in Scotland, championed by Margaret Thatcher. The majority was 72 (341-269)which would seem to indicate a significant English vote for its implementation in Scotland.
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Old 20th May 2010, 14:56
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Wasn't the poll tax a fairer way of extracting money 'across the board' than effecting a property tax?
Why was it so reviled?

In other countries (such as Denmark) it is collected from income as a local addendum according to the region in which you live. You pay according to what you earn.

What do others think?
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Old 20th May 2010, 15:02
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The poll tax would have made those who paid it think very carefully about who they were going to vote for as they would have known in advance what it would cost them. This scared the left because they always rely on subterfuge in the way they raise revenue from the taxpayer. Making people fiscally responsible is not a winning formula for socialism.
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Old 20th May 2010, 15:43
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The objection was of course that it bore no relation to the ability to pay.I choose to live in a band "F" house and accept that it is going to cost me fifty quid a week to have my bin emptied,because that really is about the only service I use that my council provides.

Others can choose to live in a small house and pay maybe 40% of what I do.I don't find that unfair.
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Old 20th May 2010, 16:55
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I always regard(ed) the Community Charge as having been both fair and reasonable.

Could never understand the level of hatred, except by those who bred like rabbits and expected the State to fund them all.
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Old 20th May 2010, 16:59
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The unfairness comes when you compare the amount paid by a theoretical family of 4, all in employment, but at just above the minimum wage, living in a council house, with the amount a married couple with 2 financially independent children would pay for their moorland estate

Effluent Man you need to get a better accountant, Dame Shirley Porter's would probably be a good one.
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Old 20th May 2010, 17:02
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Last straw

By contrast, I pride myself in being the first person in Scotland to refuse to pay and have his goods "poinded" as the procedure was termed.

A subsequent legal battle proved the procedure to be illegal and the entire case against me was was abandoned.

This resulted in a restructure of the collection procedure,which made the task nigh-on impossible under existing law, which in turn helped route the devisive tax to the garbage can along with the devisive woman who despite advice from her closest peers, pushed the idea through in the first place.

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