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Old 9th Nov 2017, 08:24
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Well, northern hemisphere of Venus notwithstanding, which is probably a lost thought anyway, it is to be hoped it's the one where El Trump will win a second term and Ivanka will win two more after him.
By that time Europe will be either am even greater protectionist empire, in which case Britain will be a satellite state used as a Euro penal colony or Britain will be in the ascendancy, riding on the US coat tails and Europe will be at war with itself.
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 08:40
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A few more cuts in force size and the UK Military and the UK become insignificant.

Perhaps that might be a good thing for a short period of time.

But then someone has to pay the Piper in currency that is very expensive.

All that social welfare is nice thing until you do what Maggie warned....."Run out of other people's money to spend".


Britain will lose Nato clout if defence cuts continue, warns top US general
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 08:46
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Rubbish, how are the yanks going to stop the UK using a missle?
Without putting words into anyone's mouth, I'm not sure he meant the logistics per se, although I do think logistics actually may well come into it partially. EG - don't the weapons have to be serviced in the States?

What on earth would happen if Blighty launched a nuke (at anyone) without the political agreement of the yanks? The days of the UK going to war against the world are over. We couldn't even re-take the Falklands now without help.

Is that leftie propaganda?
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 08:52
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Still more reasons to cheerful

Labour tax avoidance: Councils funnelled millions offshore in stamp duty dodge | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

long may this succession of Jezza' gaffes continue.
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 09:16
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Old news. As I said to you on the Paradise thread, the purchases could not be made unless they were through offshore companies, this was so the sellers could avoid, er, tax.

Our land/property ownership laws are a global laughing stock but at least we are number one amongst folk with money to launder!

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Old 9th Nov 2017, 09:51
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Old news. As I said to you on the Paradise thread, the purchases could not be made unless they were through offshore companies, this was so the sellers could avoid, er, tax.

Our land/property ownership laws are a global laughing stock but at least we are number one amongst folk with money to launder!

Private Eye | Official Site - the UK's number one best-selling news and current affairs magazine, edited by Ian Hislop
From the article I linked to

Merseyside’s Labour-run Sefton council purchased the £32.5million New Strand shopping centre through a company based in and registered in Luxembourg, allowing them to avoid £1.6million in stamp duty.

The council then took out insurance against the possibility of HMRC chasing up the cash.


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Old 9th Nov 2017, 12:18
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Sffp: Good old Express journalism there! New Strand shopping centre is actually owned (since 2013 at least) by Bootle Strand Property Ltd of Jersey. Purchased for £27.5M.
And there are no records for any property sales between 2003 and 2014 in the Warrington post code greater than £18M (and that was for a hotel).
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 12:35
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Labour avoided paying tax on £4.3 million worth of profits last year

Paradise Papers: Labour councils avoid £12m in UK tax | The Week UK

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/201...ore-companies/

Labour councils avoided £12m in tax, says report | ICAEW Economia

From the last article

A spokesperson for Warrington council said that because Birchwood Park was held as an offshore investment, the owners did not have to pay UK corporation tax on their income.

“The only tax not being paid by the council is a one-off payment of Stamp Duty Land Tax. This position would change if the council or any subsequent owner decided to bring the asset onshore.

“To complete the acquisition in a timely and efficient manner the council agreed to leave the business offshore.”
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 12:38
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 12:53
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
jeremy Corbyn spent much of his political life as an obscure old fashioned father figure of the left but the May government has propelled him to superstar staus with the yung and disadvantaged of this country and probably the enxt PM.

So would that be so bad

He would make rich people pay more tax --good
He would make middle class peopel paya bit more tax-not so good

he might reverse brexit- good
He might not reverse Brexit Good if youare thatway inclined

He wouldnt grovel to the USA as much as recent PMs good

He might scrap trident-good unless you work for BAe systems but we cannot afford it and cannot sue it without the yanks approval -on balance good

He might scrap student loans-generally good.

He might give the Unions more power-good people are treated like sh+t in todays workplace.

Like all labour poltiicans he might accept compromising contributions from said unions -bad

But then they are British and not foreign government entities or big business, always foreign these days as there is no British big business. so he is justas corrupt but more patriotic


he might introduce Stalinist labour camps-bad, oh sorry thats just what the daily Mail will say at the next election , not actually true.

He might take some serious steps to curtail the Murdochisation of the media in Uk -good

So he is surely not perfect but is he actually that bad compared to the current hopelessly weak and divided and corrupt lot in power now?

Answers on a postcard please to BBC, Pinko leftie bias department London W1 A
This is what the result of your plans would be:
1) An authoritarian state no longer held to account by a free press.
2) Overnight increase of all income tax by 50% as the City decamps to New York and the shortfall needs filling.
3) Companies massively reducing the profit they declare in the UK and thus the tax they pay.
4) As least a million more successful, high earning people leave the country. Taking their skills and their tax contributions with them.
5) Trade unions trying to run businesses. Thus destroying them.
6) Incredibly enormous increase in government deficit leading to a huge increase in interest rates otherwise nobody will loan to us.
7) Collapse in the value of the pound. Think 33%. Making all imports a lot more expensive.
8) Trade union intransigence and collapsed pound putting us in a inflation cycle. Initially 20%+ pa, but then following Venezuela's example it will get much worse.
9) Five million plus unemployed within a year. Then it will get worse.
10) Collapse in house prices. But they will still be unsellable.
11) All businesses moving as much of their activity as possible outside the country.
12) Pets, rats and zoo animals on the diet, but only as an occasional special treat. Otherwise it will be a rationed portion of cabbage and potatoes.

Anyone who has properly studied history and/or economics will know that the above will happen.
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 12:58
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More pure comedy gold. which is why I love him as Labour leader

https://www.ft.com/content/563ea65e-...b-322b2cb39656

Jezza's own pension pot is funded by off shore tax avoidance schemes, you simply could not make this stuff up
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 13:00
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Originally Posted by angels View Post
KelvinD - He's like 'wack-a-mole' isn't he.
Well when you get 2 poster pretending something else happened...
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 15:21
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So, Penny Mordaunt gets the job! Elected as an MP in 2010, she is just the right person to bring maturity, wisdom and experience to a challenging job. Well, Mrs May obviously believes that! And Madame May still hasn't had the bottle to sack Boris. Despite his pathetic attempts at lying "I didn't say that" re Nazanin Ratcliffe, claiming his words were "taken out of context". (Oh, what an overworked phrase that is in politics!)
And now we have reports that the Foreign Office knew of Mrs Patel's unauthorised meetings with Israelis, both in Israel and in the US. If the Foreign Office really did know and Boris is the NCO I/C the F.O., then he knew. Keeping quiet about that, isn't he?
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 15:34
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And as the tax avoidance daftness rumbles on Jezza confirms my optimism for UK politics

https://order-order.com/2017/11/06/l...ffshore-trust/

he truly is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 16:00
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So, Penny Mordaunt gets the job! Elected as an MP in 2010, she is just the right person to bring maturity, wisdom and experience to a challenging job.
At least as well as any of the Labour front bench, and many on the Conservative....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Mordaunt

...Mordaunt was born in Torquay, Devon and studied philosophy at the University of Reading. Before entering Parliament, she worked in business and communications, working in the private, public and charitable sectors, including as communications director for Kensington and Chelsea Council. She is currently the only female MP who is a Royal Naval Reservist.....

When Mordaunt was 15, her mother died of breast cancer. Mordaunt's twin brother left school, whilst she became carer to Edward. The following year her father was diagnosed with cancer, from which he recovered. To pay her way through sixth-form college, Mordaunt became a magician's assistant to Portsmouth magician Will Ayling, once president of The Magic Circle.

She has attributed her interest in politics to her experiences working in hospitals and orphanages of post-revolutionary Romania in her gap year, after the 1989 revolution. She graduated from the University of Reading with a BA in philosophy in 1995, becoming the first member of her family to attend university.

After graduating, Mordaunt began a career in business and communications, working in the private, public and charitable sectors. She was communications director for Kensington and Chelsea Council, supported British truckers during the French blockades whilst working for the Freight Transport Association. She was a director at the Community Fund which merged administratively with the New Opportunities Fund to create the Big Lottery Fund. In 2006, Mordaunt became Director of Diabetes UK.

Mordaunt has also worked with several high-profile politicians. Under Prime Minister John Major she was Head of Youth for the Conservative Party, whilst she had a two-year spell as Head of Broadcasting under party leader William Hague. In 2000, she was Head of Foreign Press for George W. Bush's presidential campaign, and she worked for the Bush campaign again in 2004. After the 2005 election she worked as chief of staff for David Willets's aborted leadership campaign......
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 16:25
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SFP - What you don't seem to get is that Labour/Corbyn are not the one's doing the tax dodging!

Did you look at the Private Eye link? Are you happy with this state of affairs? Not only do these offshore property ownership dodges cost us tax revenue they also abet money launderers and help keep property prices artificially inflated.

Do you agree?
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 16:30
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SFP - What you don't seem to get is that Labour/Corbyn are not the one's doing the tax dodging!
Really? As in really?

Perhaps we are reading different accounts of things but if you are paying some offshore outfit for the rent on your party HQ, you have Labour councils doing deals with other off shore companies to avoid paying stamp duty and your own pension fund is heavily in business with off shore funds then I would say that its more than a little hypocritical to be suggesting that all 'other' tax avoidance is bad
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Old 9th Nov 2017, 17:21
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your own pension fund is heavily in business with off shore funds
Labour are paying rent to the owners of the building. It is the owners of the building that are offshore. Again, look at the Eye tables, I realise facts are tiresome. I don't know if the offshore owners have to declare the rent to the tax authorities here. Perhaps others may know this.

And re Corbyn's pension, it's the Westminster pension fund. He is an MP there!
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The fact that you are attempting to defend Jezza with this is speaking volumes.

Jeremy stands to make a nice tidy earner when his pension kicks in, courtesy of tax avoidance. His and your party are renting their HQ from an outfit who are offshore, please don't try to tell us there is no 'benefit' from that particular choice and so far 2 Labour councils have been found funding projects with off shore money to avoid paying taxes due.

If LH legally imports a jet he is somehow morally wrong for 'avoiding' tax doing so but if Labour do it its all someone else fault, rank hypocrisy which is perfect form for the Left.
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The state of UK politics is illustrated in a case that came before the High Court in March 2015, namely " Erlam & Anor v Rahman & Anor (2015 ) EWHC 1215 (QB).

Here are some appetisers from the Commissioner Richard Mawrey QC `s judgement.

"22 May 2014 was Election Day throughout the United Kingdom. There was a nationwide
election for members of the European Parliament. Many local authorities had council
elections and a few local authorities had mayoral elections. The London Borough of
Tower Hamlets had all three. While undoubtedly making practical sense to hold all the
relevant elections on the same day, conducting three simultaneous polls necessarily
presented considerable challenges for returning officers, both in ensuring that polling
proceeded in an orderly and lawful manner and in arranging for three different sets of
ballots to be correctly counted."

"It follows that the court is satisfied that the conduct of Mr Rahman and his agents Mr
Asad and Mr Choudhury in making grants does amount to the corrupt practice of bribery
under s 113 of the 1983 Act."

"Bribery and the media
501 There is no doubt that the relationship between Mr Rahman and the Bengali media has always been very close. Most of that media is strongly – in the case of the London Bangla often intemperately – partisan.

"502 There is also no doubt that sums of grant money were disbursed to media organisations, sometimes for worthy causes. It is noticeable, though, that all these grants were made to media organisations serving the Bangladeshi community: the court was given no evidence of any grant of public money to any media organisation serving any other community. Mr Rahman’s counsel made much of the fact that a grant once thought to have been made to the Bangla Mirror was in fact made to a sister organisation the British Bangladeshi Who’s Who, though why it should be thought proper for public money to be spent on a publication in which, unsurprisingly, Mr Rahman himself featured prominently, was never explained."

"503 Though the payments to press organisations may (just) colourably come the right side of the line that separates ingratiating oneself with the press from outright bribery, payments to the Bengali televised media went further, and, once more, the factual conclusions of the PwC report confirm it".

"2.99 On 21 January 2013 the Office of Communications (“Ofcom”), which,
amongst other things, regulates the content of television broadcasts, issued a
bulletin in which it set out findings against five separate broadcasting
companies; ATN Bangla UK Limited, Bangla TV (UK) Limited, Prime
Bangla Limited, Channel S Global Limited and Runners TV Limited. The
subject matter of these findings was a broadcast each of the companies had
aired which purported to be for the purposes of disseminating information
about services of the Authority to sections of the community within the
Borough. The findings were that the advertisement was in breach of section
321(2)(b) of the Communications Act 2003 and Rule 7.2.2(g) of the Code of
Broadcast Advertising as it constituted political advertising. Ofcom
concluded “we considered that the advertisement served to portray the
Mayor of Tower Hamlets, Lutfur Rahman, in a positive light”.

And the final two paragraphs:

"685 On past form, it appears inevitable that Mr Rahman will denounce this judgment as yet another example of the racism and Islamophobia that have hounded him throughout his political life. It is nothing of the sort. Mr Rahman has made a successful career by
ignoring or flouting the law (as this Petition demonstrates) and has relied on silencing his
critics by accusations of racism and Islamophobia. But his critics have not been silenced
and neither has this court.
686 Events of recent months in contexts very different from electoral malpractice have starkly demonstrated what happens when those in authority are afraid to confront wrongdoing for fear of allegations of racism and Islamophobia. Even in the multicultural society which is 21st century Britain, the law must be applied fairly and equally to everyone. Otherwise we are lost."

The full judgement can be accessed at:
Erlam & Ors v Rahman & Anor [2015] EWHC 1215 (QB) - Field Court Chambers

http://3acc7rbsf4f7secm17sim5d6.wpen...April-2015.pdf

It is well worth reading, very carefully.
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