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Old 8th Nov 2017, 08:52
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Bernard Jenkin, the Conservative MP and, like Priti Patel, a prominent Vote Leave supporter, told the Today programme this morning that Patel had made “a genuine mistake”. He said:

I’m quite certain that Priti made a genuine, genuine mistake.

We need to recognise that a lot of ministers are not experienced in high office when they take on these roles and they need a lot of support.
Ah, so that's OK then, we just need to accept mistakes happen, and this is simply a case of a "newish" minister, bit wet behind the ears, holding at least a dozen meetings discussing sensitive matters connected to foreign policy and aid policy without referring the same to the PMs office or the Foreign Office, and possibly being a bit economical with the truth when asked to explain..........glad that's sorted out..

Just as well the PM doesn't appoint inexperienced Ministers or MPs with no ministerial experience at all into really important posts such as Secretary of State for Defence...

This lot ( all sides) are an utter shambles..... Circus and clowns doesn't describe it...

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Old 8th Nov 2017, 09:17
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The constant references to "the ministerial code" really irks me. Surely, it can't be difficult to provide every new cabinet member with a little book of rules and to be told to follow these. All this tripe re "codes" merely provides potential get out options, putting one in mind of things such as building codes etc. As for Patel, she gained a post graduate diploma in British Government & Politics. Didn't anybody on this course mention things like accountability, responsibility and toeing the bloody line?
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 09:18
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I am somewhat surprised that this thread has not as yet seen any "off with their heads" calls in regard to Priti Patel and Boris Johnson!
In Patels case, she shouldn't be allowed the "get out" of resigning, she should be sacked.

Going rogue on policy in an area as sensitive as the Middle East, isn't simply inexperience, it is reckless incompetence.
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 09:29
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Same offence as Liam Fox back in 2011. He had the dignity to resign at the time, she should have done the same, or been sacked, on Monday.

The latest relevations concerning the later meetings in the UK merely provide TM with the opportunity she should have taken then.
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The constant references to "the ministerial code" really irks me. Surely, it can't be difficult to provide every new cabinet member with a little book of rules and to be told to follow these. All this tripe re "codes" merely provides potential get out options,
Yep, never mind UK Government policy, International "policy", or even pure bleedin' common sense ( umm.... "might it be an idea to talk to Boris/ the PM/ Senior Civil servant in the Foreign office before I go off on my holiday and meet these people?...") all it seems to all about is "codes".

From the Mail on line:

No10 refused to say yesterday whether Miss Patel broke the ministerial code. But Mrs May has asked Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood to tighten it to so ministers cannot hold secret meetings with foreign governments.
So Ministers need to be told in writing that they can't have meetings with Foreign Governments and try to keep them secret from the likes of the PM...anybody would think we were dealing with 5 year olds...
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 09:46
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Top Jeremy Corbyn aide and son of John Prescott 'suspended over sexual harassment claims'

Oh, dear!
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 09:57
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anybody would think we were dealing with 5 year olds...
No, but the Cabinet is more like a pack of wolves.

The pack leader is injured and weak and the rest are circling awaiting their chance. The toughest fear to attack first lest they be injured in the fight and torn down in turn (like Heseltine). The leader plays them off against each other and makes friends with the younger members of the pack - who see their best chance in keeping her in power until the current toughest grow weak and they grow strong enough to take the chance.

Patel is one of the younger weaker ones. I suspect she will be replaced by another May favourite backbencher.
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 10:15
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I suspect that Patel thought she was being clever, and teeing up future financial help for a leadership bid. There are probably times when going a bit off piste can work, but she's gone so far off that she's gone through the trees and will be off the side of the mountain by the end of the day. I doubt that there will be a way back for her in that ambition.

Her reaction to the assumed impending dismissal will be interesting. She doesn't strike me as someone who will go to the backbenches quietly.
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 11:23
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The omnishambles gets yet omnier. Strong and stable isn't exactly how one might describe this hopeless crew of incompetents. They are getting close to bestowing gravitas on Corbyn now. I wonder of Sffp is still celebrating!
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 11:33
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... They are getting close to bestowing gravitas on Corbyn now. ...
When I see JC on the telly I am often reminded of the film 'Being there' starring the late Peter Sellers. His character, Chance, is summed up quite nicely on Wiki:

"Chance often misunderstands people and states the obvious, particularly about gardening, but his simple words are repeatedly misunderstood as profound, allegorical statements about life, business and the economy."

Great film on it's own merits if you are ever looking for something to watch. Life imitating art and all that.
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 12:06
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All the more remarkable then that this useless government is showing him up in such a positive light.
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 12:11
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I wonder of Sffp is still celebrating!
Absolutely, are you
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 12:30
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I think if TM sacks Patel over this she is building an even bigger problem for herself. Sure PP deserves demotion or sacking as she broke serious rules but not sacking Boris for an act of crass oafishness on TV as well does as k the question. Sack a woman Asian minister but protect stupid oafish old Etonian white male , does look a teeny weeny bit rascist and anti feminist doesnt it .
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And in todays 'you couldnt make it up' column, Corbyn gives the job of Campaign Manager for the Labour Party to a person with a conviction for voter fraud.

Looks like he is determined to win the next election..

Jeremy Corbyn gives job as campaign chief to Left-winger guilty of voter fraud
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 13:06
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While we are waiting.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...you-have-to-do

6/12 for me...
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 13:06
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And the fun continues...


John Prescott: How I'd sort out the MPs sex pest scandal - people shouldn't suffer in silence

Good for you John... oooh....errr..


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Old 8th Nov 2017, 13:07
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One of the many reasons why I am still celebrating
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 13:53
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What kind of holiday is it that includes 12 meetings with government members?

"My first and only aim as the Secretary of State for International Development is to put the interests of British taxpayers and the world's poor at the front of our development work."
Are Israelis really amongst the world's poor? If she's really interested in poverty perhaps she should have visited the Gaza Strip as well as Israel.
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 14:16
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What kind of holiday is it that includes 12 meetings with government members?

Are Israelis really amongst the world's poor? If she's really interested in poverty perhaps she should have visited the Gaza Strip as well as Israel.
People should research Conservative friends of Israel. It finances the Conservative Party, chooses candidates and decides policy. Their website boasts all this. Most Conservative MPs are members. They are taken on junkets to Israel where minders make sure they only get the messages that Israel wants. It is a disgrace to our democracy.
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Old 8th Nov 2017, 14:49
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perhaps she should have visited the Gaza Strip as well as Israel.
She went to the Golan Heights instead, which was a bit naughty in that Britain doesn't recognise the Israeli occupation there.

She is toast.

And Boris should hang his head in shame for his woeful and disgraceful non-apology in parliament yesterday. Even the Torygraph recoiled in horror. I can't believe he hasn't been fired.
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