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Old 1st Oct 2017, 14:12
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Do you mean "errors" or "duplicity"? I know which I would plump for!
That's one of those semantic moments really.....DUP and "Duplicity" suitably conjoined.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 14:48
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Something to refresh you.


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Old 1st Oct 2017, 15:37
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CC..that's very kind of you to alert us all to the Europe event or rather those who have an interest in catalepsy to judge from the speakers scheduled to be present.

I am amazed however, to learn that non of t'board on another thread, having long since solved the economics of Brexit, will not be addressing the audience ! You would have thunk such unrivalled and untapped expertise would have been given pride of place really.

Meanwhile, about those little acorns and their growth.....

The Olympic cost of Theresa May's tuition fees proposal - BBC News
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 15:56
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I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that it's the richer graduates that the Tories are proposing to subsidise. Probably on the basis that they're in with a chance there, but as they haven't a hope in hell of getting the poorer ones to vote for them why even bother to try?


Which brings us on to the insanity of using £10bn to buy the votes of just 135,000 households, at £74k a pop. I thought the Tories were supposed to be good at business and stuff? - surely they can find a more cost-effective way of buying votes than that!
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 16:00
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that it's the richer graduates that the Tories are proposing to subsidise. Probably on the basis that they're in with a chance there, but as they haven't a hope in hell of getting the poorer ones to vote for them why even bother to try?


Which brings us on to the insanity of using £10bn to buy the votes of just 135,000 households, at £74k a pop. I thought the Tories were supposed to be good at business and stuff? - surely they can find a more cost-effective way of buying votes than that!
Well they managed to get a good deal on buying votes for a mere £1bn with the DUP ....credit where it's due here please note....for the faithful that is.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 17:21
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that it's the richer graduates that the Tories are proposing to subsidise. Probably on the basis that they're in with a chance there, but as they haven't a hope in hell of getting the poorer ones to vote for them why even bother to try?

The poorer ones are already subsidised to the point where they don't repay anything.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 17:30
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The poorer ones are already subsidised to the point where they don't repay anything.
What, therefore, is the point of Jeremy's plan to abolish university fees?
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 17:49
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I watched a little of Ruth Davidson's speech today. If I was Mrs May I would watch out. Ms Davidson is showing promise as a potential replacement for her indoors. She seems to have a different idea of modern history to me though. She claims it was the Tories who gave the home nations their devolved assemblies, powers etc. Well, I always maintain Blair was a closet Tory!
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 18:03
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I think you miss the inherent contradiction between a peacekeeping force and a military threat.

Does anyone seriously believe that an EU military force would have actually gone to Ukraine and stood up to the Russians? That the EU would have laid down ultimatums to Putin and been willing to back those up with military action? I, for one, think Putin might have found the notion quite funny.
Peace keeping was the correct term regarding Ukraine as the war was not officially with the Russians
So who would they be attacking? The people of East Ukraine

The most the EU have ever done is to threaten trade sanctions
Forget EU for a moment as that seems to generate ridicule in your mind and just imagine the USA felt strongly about Putins interference in the region

Just imagine the USA had steamrolled into the region do you think that would have not been a deterrent ?

Most cases it's the threat not the action
Just look at N Korea ? Why doesn't Trump just Nuke the region into oblivion or go to war with them

The EU have no threat other than saying we won't sell or buy things from you unless ?
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What, therefore, is the point of Jeremy's plan to abolish university fees?
That's something that has been discussed before, my daughter and son in law are earning over the threshold and the repayments they don't even notice the loss and they even said the increase in interest rates was a non event, regarding Labours offer they could not understand how intelligent people actually fell for it.

Plan 1 repayments:

Student Loan Repayment - Plan 1 - How and when you repay

Plan 2 repayments:

Student Loan Repayment - Plan 2 - How repayments are calculated

and then these also explain some more:

When will your student loan be written off? - Martin Lewis' Blog...

Student loans mythbusting: The truth about uni fees, loans & grants - MoneySavingExpert
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 18:41
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
What, therefore, is the point of Jeremy's plan to abolish university fees?
To help the richer ones. But you knew that. (Same theory - the poorer ones are assumed to vote Labour anyway, it's the richer ones he needs to make sure of.)
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 19:11
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If Labour gives the vote to the young of Britain at sixteen there won't be any value in Labour providing university fees for them once they hit eighteen. An educated youth would never be so dumb as to vote for this Marxist rabble twice.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 22:49
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Given that 30000 protesters of various factions demonstrated outside the Conservative Conference, how significant are the numbers (given that that the only unifying movement was to oppose a number of policies.
Was there any 'majority' among the protesters for particular 'reforms'?


I am thinking of the Poll-Tax 'riots' which attracted far greater numbers.

How much credence can be associated with the recent demonstrations?
How did the numbers compare with the one that Gertrude the Wombat turned out for in London?
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 23:07
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How did the numbers compare with the one that Gertrude the Wombat turned out for in London?
Nobody ever knows the numbers for sure, but the first one I attended in London mostly seemed to be reported at 100,000 and the second at 50,000. In which case getting 30,000 in Manchester is quite a lot actually.

Reports I've seen suggest that the 30,000 were the anti-brexit march, and there was also a small anti-austerity demo. But hey, if you live in a different bubble you might see different reports. Wha'ever, pictures from inside the conference showed vast swathes of empty seats and empty carpets, so it's certainly the case that at least one order of magnitude, and probably getting on for two, more people turned up to protest brexit outside than could be arsed to turn up to defend it inside. And yes, there was at least one "Tories against brexit" banner on the march.

Poll tax riots were different - they were genuine riots, a fun day out for all the thugs regardless of political persuasions. All the anti-brexit marches have been completely peaceful, the worst being a very very occasional heckle from a passer-by - much more common is passers-by giving thumbs up and/or accepting membership application forms.

The march in Bournemouth was only a few hundred, maybe a couple of thousand, but that's hardly surprising, not just because it's even further from centres of population but also because they weren't actually protesting against the LibDems, obviously, and indeed we constituted a fair proportion of the marchers. We did have a couple of armed police though, just in case of serious nutters (it's rather sad that this is considered routine these days). But I do like the way that pairs of armed British police often include one of the pair being young and female, obviously a "we're just ordinary people like you" thing.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 07:33
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Since the mythical "money tree", presumably also the source of those acorns which are going to grow into the next Sherwood Forest gets mentioned, we can only ponder as to where this latest supply will come from....

Hammond to announce 'more money' for Northern Powerhouse rail - BBC News

Nice to see some "forward thinking " here however, notably the bit about ensuring the infrastructure will be in place for the vanity white elephant project called HS2.

I do, however, wholeheartedly support the opening sentiment in the piece about the post mortem and a marquee. Possibly the first, and last, factual Tory statement since the party was conceived ( out of wedlock as they say ) and remarkably definitive.....chaps.

Finally, the now less than blessed ones idea of "thinking".....and railways / the public.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-41441730

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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 08:46
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It was interesting to hear, on the BBC, Hammond accept the idea that taxes may, at some point, have to be raised. Careful Mr Hammond, they could pull your membership card, talking like that!
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 08:58
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It was interesting to hear, on the BBC, Hammond accept the idea that taxes may, at some point, have to be raised. Careful Mr Hammond, they could pull your membership card, talking like that!
He's the one person in the government who has to face up to the reality of how to fund the magic-money-tree giveaways - that's his job.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 09:21
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Which rather ironically does make the intelligent folk amongst us wonder just how much taxes will have to rise for Jezza's 'Were taking it back' nonsense.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 09:24
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It doesn't really matter how much any party needs to raise in taxes. The bottom line is "if we need it, we must pay for it".
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 09:27
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I don't dispute that at all Kelvin, I simply posed the question as to what Jeremy's 'Were taking it back' nonsense would actually cost us all.
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