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Old 12th Sep 2017, 04:14
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UKIP, whose policies and members have always seemed to be on a different planet, can always be relied upon to provide confirmation of this perception.

Thus the suggestion as to help the UK's finances by " mining the asteroid belt" ( a few logistical problems aside ) comes as no surprise.

Far more pertinent however, are the clearly heartfelt concerns expressed by a potential leader.....albeit as always for UKIP suitably contradictory.

Still, as a rebranding exercise goes, you can't really disagree with his vision for the future ( non existent ) of the party.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y-henry-Bolton

The bit about "fearlessly tackling the issues", otherwise known as stirring the ( rude word for human waste products ) will, no doubt, be applauded by those on here who will also be drawn to the sentiments concerning one of the now well establishes JB favourites .
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 07:00
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I take it we all understand that the character in the video doesn't exist? He is actor Tom Walker who specialises in "spoof" reporting.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Wingswinger View Post
Regarding Jacob Rees-Mogg:

"I am not interested in being Tory Leader" = I am interested in being Tory leader when the time is right.

His views on gay marriage and abortion do still chime with more people than some might imagine although not a majority of course. Such views should not preclude him from high office if he is willing and able. Nor are they likely to become policy if he were to become leader since a majority would be required both in the house and in public sentiment. That doesn't seem likely.
Labour are trying to label JRM as an extremist because of his views. To my knowledge, he has never killed anyone. Contrast this with the hero worship by Corbyn, and others on the left, of people like Adams, McGuiness and Muslim terror groups, with the blood of hundreds of thousands on their hands. That is extremism.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 09:25
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Considering the source this must be true

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...2/uk.religion1

if he is a dedicated RC follower then you have to wonder what his views are on abortion, same sex marriage, abortion etc.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 09:38
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This should appeal to the usual " damned unions ! " brigade.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-law-to-strike

Reality, of course, is somewhat different to the interpretation of life here on JB so for those of us who are aware of, and participate in, reality, the union stance can only be commended.

Note here the recourse to legislation, not for the first time, by a Tory Gov't determined to ensure the working population of the UK can be kept suitably subjugated.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 10:11
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More exposure of the Lammy Wammy

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/...ampaign=buffer

shameful playing of the Race/Victim card by Mr Lammy and it's being exposed for precisely what it is.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 12:31
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SFFP,

I'd rather believe the Vatican than the Guardian. No change in Church policy on Abortion - but priests can now give absolution, leaving it to the conscience of the woman.

On that basis the appropriate response for an MP such as JRM would be to express his and the Church's doctrine, but abstain in any vote on the matter leaving any decision to the individual as a matter of conscience rather than law.

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Euro...ce-on-abortion

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Old 12th Sep 2017, 12:53
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SFFP: That's an interesting, if ill informed piece. Interestingly, it contains a link to this quote: “If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white.”
Theresa May in 2016! We didn't need the intervention of David Lammy then.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 12:55
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Orac, may I suggest that suggest that certain people do not employ logic, reason or common sense? The sad fact is that the vast majority of members on here are not aspirants, serving or retired Lictors just fails to persuade said certain people.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 13:06
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K&C: Unions and strikes are a hot topic in this house at the moment. My lad works for Parcel Force and they have just been told that, in spite of the hundreds of millions in profit last year, the company finds it necessary to reduce their pay by somewhere around £200 per month. That's a lot for someone who earns less than £20K. Meanwhile, his work pension (a much trumpeted topic elsewhere on here recently) is now subject to potentially disappearing. Royal Mail (parent company of Parcel Force) are saying that, while their pension fund is £1Bn in surplus, they are going to have to close it as it is unsustainable. When we see a notice appointing Philip Green to the board, we will know the jig is up!
Meanwhile, there will be a strike ballot on Thursday among Parcel Force employees. It's a good thing inflation has crept up to 3% then, that'll make sure those malcontents who want to complain about their crap salaries will suffer even more! My son and I will be having a chat about it this evening, when I will be emphasising solidarity.
And now, following the announcement from government today re pay rises for only police and prison officers is really going to signal the opening of the proverbial can of worms.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 13:15
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Originally Posted by Rosevidney1 View Post
Orac, may I suggest that suggest that certain people do not employ logic, reason or common sense?
Anyone who's been on a Myers Briggs course will have been taught that employing logic and/or reason is indeed only one of several ways of looking at the world, and quite likely is not a majority approach.

("Common sense" is, of course, rarely common and never sensible, but that's a different argument.)
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 13:34
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KelvinD,

With a little research it would seem that whilst the current Royal Mail pension scheme is in surplus it is being depleted at the rate of £1.36 Billion an year and will be in deficit by 2018 - which is why, along with practically every other similar scheme in the U.K., it is being closed in 2018.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 14:05
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During her career, how many childrens minds have been poisoned by this "teacher"?

The hypocrisy should take your breath away!

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Old 12th Sep 2017, 15:56
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Kelvin D,

As I'm sure your lad is only too well aware, Parcel Force have some established form here.....

https://www.theguardian.com/business...k-field-report

At some point however, we can anticipate the inevitable "ban the unions ! " etc, ad nausea responses given there are many who are clueless as to the reality of employment in the UK.

Hope your lad, and the rest of the workers, take the correct stance and get the support they deserve by voting for industrial action.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 16:33
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Considering the source this must be true

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...2/uk.religion1

if he is a dedicated RC follower then you have to wonder what his views are on abortion, same sex marriage, abortion etc.
Seldom, what's the relevance of a 10 year old piece?

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Old 12th Sep 2017, 16:54
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Um, JRM being pilloried for his open and honest Catholic beliefs as opposed to Catholic Tone and stuff we don't know......

Just putting it out there.

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Old 13th Sep 2017, 05:07
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Inflation up?

Must be due to the announcement that the police are getting a pay award

Clearly this has impacted the world pricing of items like petrol, cotton, copper, ....

The economic illiteracy out there is simply breathtaking
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 06:06
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The Winter of Discontent 2017

The Winter of Discontent of 1978-79 did for the Callaghan government and brought in Thatcher and a generation of Conservative rule. Will 2017 show May as a Thatcher - or a Ted Heath?

Illegal strike threat from unions after pay cap row

Three of Britain’s biggest trade unions are threatening a wave of illegal strikes this winter if Theresa May refuses to lift the 1 per cent cap on pay rises for the whole public sector. Union bosses representing more than two million workers issued warnings as the prime minister abandoned the seven-year cap to boost pay for two sectors yesterday. Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, refused to condemn the threats and his party would not say whether it would back illegal strikes.

Mrs May awarded a pay increase of about 2 per cent to the police and 1.7 per cent for prison officers but said that the rises must be funded from existing budgets. The offer was branded pathetic and derisory by Frances O’Grady, the TUC general secretary. She said it fell far below the 2.9 per cent rise in prices revealed in inflation data yesterday. Mark Serwotka, general secretary of the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS), called the deal “a pile of crap”. The rest of Britain’s 5.4 million public sector workers must wait until the budget on November 22 before hearing about their pay next year. Three unions — Unite, the GMB and PCS — raised the prospect of illegal strikes if the cap remained in place for them.

Len McCluskey, the general secretary of Britain’s largest union, Unite, was asked whether he would back illegal strikes. “I will support our members,” he said. “If that means we are outside the law, then so be it.” Speaking at the TUC in Brighton, he added: “The reality is that the law is wrong and it has to be resisted. I dare say if you’d been interviewing Nelson Mandela or Mahatma Gandhi or the suffragettes you’d be telling them that they were breaking the law.” He warned of a “strong likelihood” of the unions taking co-ordinated action. The unions want a 5 per cent pay rise for workers including nurses, teachers and council staff.

Since March unions’ strike ballots have been legally required to reach a turnout of 50 per cent of members. For balloted workers in “important public services” — firefighting, health, education, transport and border protection — 40 per cent of all those eligible to vote must back industrial action to render a strike legal. Tim Roache, general secretary of the third biggest union, GMB, told a TUC fringe meeting: “As public sector unions we are united . . . whether it takes us into strike action, whether it takes us into unlawful action, in pursuit of the right of our members to get a decent pay rise.”

Mr Serwotka said that if a ballot came close to the government-imposed threshold there would be an “overwhelmingly moral and just case to say the law is illegitimate”. He suggested that co-ordinated action this winter could resemble the strike over public sector pensions in 2011 when up to two million workers walked out. The strikes, orchestrated by the TUC, prompted 60 per cent of schools in England to close and 6,000 NHS operations to be cancelled. It was described as the biggest round of action since the 1979 winter of discontent. Steve Gillan, general secretary of the Prison Officers Association, also refused to rule out illegal strike action by some of its members.

Mr Corbyn said that how strike action was carried out was “a matter for the unions”. Richard Burgon, the shadow justice secretary, also side-stepped criticising them. In its manifesto Labour pledged to repeal the Trade Union Act so that the type of strikes referred to would become legal. It remained unclear last night whether the party would support strikes that are at present against the law. Paul Blomfield, the shadow Brexit minister, condemned unlawful action. “I don’t think there should be illegal strikes,” he told the BBC. “We are a party that respects the law.”........

Strikes over the role of guards on trains may spread to a fourth network. The Rail, Maritime and Transport union (RMT) could walk out on the Greater Anglia line this month after members voted overwhelmingly in favour of strikes. It caters for 82 million passenger journeys a year. There have been strikes on Southern, Northern and Merseyrail. The RMT is balloting for South Western.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 08:03
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Mrs May awarded a pay increase of about 2 per cent to the police
The Mrs May I am familiar with awarded the police 1%, not 2%. She threw in a 1% bonus but there was no 2% pay rise.
Re Royal Mail pensions; I have just spent a dull hour reading the pension fund report and find that the final salary scheme was closed to new members in 2008. Assets owned by the fund are zero. So, no new contributions and no assets to strip but pensions to be paid out, I wonder why the pension fund is going down the pan? If I can figure it out, could I get a Knighthood? The employees have been tipping up a portion of their salary for years on the understanding that the pension will be there for them if they live beyond their working life. They were told the pension fund administrators would look after their money and make sure the pot grows to accommodate the pensioners' needs. Well, they didn't. And who is actually responsible for this? Why; the sainted Mrs. May in her capacity as PM!
Meanwhile, it seems the CEO of Royal Mail has to make do with a salary of just £458,000. Plus the £200K tossed into her pensions fund, plus the £440K share handout, plus the £43K "benefits" which include the cost of regular trips to her native Canada. And I bet they are not in cattle class at the back of an Air Canada Rouge B767!
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 08:32
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
The Mrs May I am familiar with awarded the police 1%, not 2%. She threw in a 1% bonus but there was no 2% pay rise.
Re Royal Mail pensions; I have just spent a dull hour reading the pension fund report and find that the final salary scheme was closed to new members in 2008. Assets owned by the fund are zero. So, no new contributions and no assets to strip but pensions to be paid out, I wonder why the pension fund is going down the pan? If I can figure it out, could I get a Knighthood? The employees have been tipping up a portion of their salary for years on the understanding that the pension will be there for them if they live beyond their working life. They were told the pension fund administrators would look after their money and make sure the pot grows to accommodate the pensioners' needs. Well, they didn't. And who is actually responsible for this? Why; the sainted Mrs. May in her capacity as PM!
Meanwhile, it seems the CEO of Royal Mail has to make do with a salary of just £458,000. Plus the £200K tossed into her pensions fund, plus the £440K share handout, plus the £43K "benefits" which include the cost of regular trips to her native Canada. And I bet they are not in cattle class at the back of an Air Canada Rouge B767!
Do you have a link to the 'pension fund report' that you refer to?
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