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Old 30th Aug 2017, 10:02
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Anyone who listened to Jeazza's 'promises' on either Uni Fee's or Benefit Caps will certainly be taking him with a pinch of salt from now on.

Totally costed manifesto my rusty sheriff's badge.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 10:06
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But these are specific commitments and Corbyn supporters don't take any notice of them. instead they are enamoured by his "True Socialist" stance. Something that they have hankered after since 1997.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 10:11
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I think we are at cross purposes, I am talking Labour voters in general.

He didn't get enough votes this time round and now the lies are being exposed the likelihood of him 'mugging off' the same people diminishes with each new exposure.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:14
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Well he mugged me off, plus several others I know of before he got started on policies. It seems that he has managed to draw in others to replace us though. I suppose that I am now "Old Labour".
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:15
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
He didn't get enough votes this time round and now the lies are being exposed the likelihood of him 'mugging off' the same people diminishes with each new exposure.
Some of us disagree with you. We think the same people will ignore the lies as being completely irrelevant, and carry on voting Trot.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:18
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The latest opinion polls are now neck and neck so the Corbyn "bounce" is diminishing. Let's hope the Tories can choose a dynamic new leader who can expose Corbyn for the nasty piece of work that he is and completely destroy him in the next GE as May should have done in the last one.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic View Post
The latest opinion polls are now neck and neck so the Corbyn "bounce" is diminishing. Let's hope the Tories can choose a dynamic new leader who can expose Corbyn for the nasty piece of work that he is and completely destroy him in the next GE as May should have done in the last one.
I think she did an excellent job of destroying her own, albeit limited to non existent, credibility really and continues to do so.

Here's the latest "reciprocal heading" to emerge.

https://www.channel4.com/news/may-ac...rporate-excess

Strangely enough, whilst the piece contains an interview with one Frances O'Grady, a lady whose views were so pivotal to the decision making of one contributor, ( her name appears on here with more repetition than " The Shawshank Redemption " on the box ) this interview has not yet been mentioned...
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 11:53
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic View Post
The latest opinion polls are now neck and neck so the Corbyn "bounce" is diminishing. Let's hope the Tories can choose a dynamic new leader who can expose Corbyn for the nasty piece of work that he is and completely destroy him in the next GE as May should have done in the last one.
The 'fully costed' money tree is now being exposed for the boleaux that it clearly was, I wonder how many of the 'enlightened young' are feeling totally 'mugged off' with they fraudulent Uni Fee lies.

Labour gave it their absolute best shot and still came up woefully short. The only way the could improve next time on their 'money tree fantasy' is by offering Free Disney Trips for one and all but I have no doubt the public in general are wiser now to the tripe being offered by the Jezza, Di and John trio.

The Conservatives were appalling at the last election so the only way they can go is up. They will elect a new leader, put together a comprehensive manifesto that brings back their wavering core voters and complete what they set out to do earlier this year.

Its a great time to be a Tory which is in stark contrast to those of the Left who must be hanging their collective heads in shame that they cannot rid themselves of the millstone that is Jezza, and please may that continue for years to come.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 12:00
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The problem with Labour is that at some point all these promises that turn out to be not promises are going to come back to bite them. Just 10 weeks ago they were promising a Hard Brexit, now they want to stay in the EU.. maybe...

Like the situation on welfare benefits and student debt, nothing has changed but Corbyn seems to have listened to someone else and now agrees with them - in a few more weeks he will talk to another guy and we will have another change of policy..

Its called princlpled opposition..
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 13:05
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The problem for the Tories though is that they are permanently wedded to the kind of person speaking on R4 this morning. Lord Harris of Carpetright, whose interests are diametrically opposed to the JAM's that he employs in droves. People who have no option but to do a fifty hour week to exist in some back street terrace and drive a rickety fifteen year old jalopy to work while he picks up a cool million or two for dissing around.

For as long as that goes on Jezza and co will have appeal. It's absolutely no good May and her pals talking the talk without walking the walk. Ironically half the reason the JAM's are only just about managing is all the sh*te that they are convinced they need for a happy life by Harris and his Tory mates. Roll on Brexit I say!
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 13:18
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Lord Harris of Carpetright, whose interests are diametrically opposed to the JAM's that he employs in droves.
Indeed - what they need to protect them is someone who is now in favour of keeping Freedom of Movement to keep wages low..

ooh... err...
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 13:28
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And of course none of the Labour front bench are swimming in money, living in million pound houses whilst telling the Jams whats best for them.

Of course not as its only Torys that are rich.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 15:12
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Can't wait for the Labour party conference. I Brighton just a few hundred metres away during September. Might even try and swing a pass to attend. Worth a giggle. If the amendments pass that will be labour permanently in the hands of the hard, hard left and Momentum and doomed as a middle of the road mainstream party.......

https://order-order.com/2017/08/30/c...-nec-majority/

https://order-order.com/2017/08/30/l...jess-phillips/
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 16:08
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Orac,

That is brilliant news and exactly what the country needs right now. More power to Jezza and the Labour Party in the wilderness for ever more.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 16:26
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Can't wait for the Labour party conference. I Brighton just a few hundred metres away during September. Might even try and swing a pass to attend. Worth a giggle. If the amendments pass that will be labour permanently in the hands of the hard, hard left and Momentum and doomed as a middle of the road mainstream party.......

https://order-order.com/2017/08/30/c...-nec-majority/

https://order-order.com/2017/08/30/l...jess-phillips/
ORAC......"outstanding ! " ( as the U.S Mayreeens would say ) a JB first !....a political commentator bring us those on the spot / detailed analysis / scything insight reports as they happen.....true, they may be somewhat skewed to the right to reflect your own allegiances ( and to ensure the disciples on here can happily gurgle into their bibs as the news hits the ether ) but, nevertheless , a first for JB.

Who knows what prospective future employment offers this will bring...the Sun / Excess and certainly the Mail are always looking for untapped talent after all......but please, can you keep the reports in English.....Latin is, after all, rather in the "pretentious, mwah ?" category for addressing the masses in the 21st century.

Of course, if this cunning plan doesn't work out, there's always the "this is ORAC on Brighton beach, in a force 12 gale " fearless reporter option.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 18:21
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I know it hurts KnC, but lashing out in despair might make you feel better - but it only appears amusingly pathetic to those watching.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 19:01
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A 'centreist' Corbyn supporter is favourite to replace Ms Dugdale

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cottish-leader

the news with regards to Labour just keeps on getting better.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 19:16
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Just to add to KnC's pain - a detailed analysis/scything insight into the same subject by Rob Marchant, a former Labour Party manager, in Labour Uncut, a Labour political blog.

What you do say? It says the same thing? Oh dear.....

Labour?s life-support conference approaches « Labour Uncut

"It does not take a Nostradamus to predict that this year’s will have to be the craziest Labour conference since 1985 or, quite possibly, ever.

On the one hand you will have hubris: bright-eyed young Corbynite new recruits, feeling buoyed and excited by the party’s “success” in the general election (i.e. we did not lose too badly). The old-fashioned Trots, to their surprise finding themselves back in the party and with their day in the sun. And some of the long-time, idealistic soft left, not yet jaded by the disingenuousness of their leader’s position on Europe.

On the other you will have something approaching despair: the party’s centrists, Blairites, Brownites (as if those labels mean anything any more) and perhaps some old-time trade unionists and working-class members, seeking out each others’ company for warmth, in the party’s long, cold, dark night of the soul.

But the polls, the Corbynites will say, glowingly.

It is not, patently, about how Labour is doing in the polls against a terrible government. It is about the structural carnage it is wreaking on itself and whether that is sustainable in the long run. Or whether it has reached the tipping point of irreparable damage........."
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 20:25
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And the good news keeps on coming

MPs should play no role in deciding who can stand for Labour leadership, key ally of Jeremy Corbyn claims

A vote to make it even easier for far left candidates and Jezza's mates to get onto the ballot paper.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 20:29
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Can't wait for the Labour party conference. I Brighton just a few hundred metres away during September. Might even try and swing a pass to attend.
Anybody can attend fringe meetings outside the secure zone, hence my own visit to a Labour conference.


To get a pass to get inside the secure zone there are no doubt all sorts of routes, particularly if you are local and know someone who can get you a pass as an electrician or cleaner or whatever.


I haven't yet decided whether I'm attending the Labour conference this year - if I do I'll be waving an EU flag in the anti-DUP/Labour/UKIP/Tory/#brexit-Coalition-of-Chaos demo.
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