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Old 27th Aug 2017, 15:50
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Originally Posted by EGLD View Post
true, the words fascist and nazi are thrown around like confetti

like so many other words sacrificed in the name of stifling debate, they've lost all meaning
True.
Same goes for "lefty', 'libtard' or 'godamncommieredfaggotbastardsubversive'.
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Old 27th Aug 2017, 22:20
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
G, That's unfair. Even the most right ring on here stop, admittedly just, short of that.
Nazis and fascists are left-wing. The left hate Nazis and fascists because they steal support from established left-wing parties. If they were stealing support from right-wing parties, the left would love them.

It wasn't Tories who were deserting their party for the BNP.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 05:26
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Could this be the same towering politician and deity who was so gleefully applauded for having "played a blinder" on here then ?

On the other hand, as political obituaries go, this is a good start.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...esa-may-doomed

" It wasn't Tories who were deserting their party for the BNP"

True, some were no doubt already quietly supporting the BNP until their spiritual salvation arrived when the BNP transmogrified into UKIP.

That extra brain cell made a significant difference between the two parties supporters.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 05:55
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
True.
Same goes for "lefty', 'libtard' or 'godamncommieredfaggotbastardsubversive'.
Lefty and Libtard carry nothing like the weight of Facist and Nazi, they are more comparable to labels like Tory or Alt-right in describing someone's political leanings

Inappropriate use of terms like Facist and Nazi is an attempt to move moderate right wing views to the extreme where they can be censored and justify violence

Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
To be fair Jet Blast isn't the only online forum where fascists and Nazis proliferate like confetti - you could try the comments on the Daily Wail web set or pretty well any local rag.
You seem like a decent sort but you've really fallen for the rhetoric of the left since they have been dragged out of power in the UK and US and started behaving like spoilt brats, calling everyone Nazis and racists. See my above statement about why this is happening

In comparison, the Alt-right Tories have been far more composed since 1997 whilst watching Labour tear the UK apart. Right wingers at least believe in democracy and respecting a democratic decision

So indoctrinated are left wingers (students and graduates mainly) that they are convinced their way is the only way, and they will deploy any means to achieve it. From censorship to violence, it's all fair game once you've convinced yourselves everyone else is Hitler.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 05:57
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True, some were no doubt already quietly supporting the BNP until their spiritual salvation arrived when the BNP transmogrified into UKIP.
Been through this and the facts show it isn't true. Which would seem to show your arguments aren't factually based, merely driven by malice and hatred with a deliberate willing to use lies when necessary.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 06:34
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Been through this and the facts show it isn't true. Which would seem to show your arguments aren't factually based, merely driven by malice and hatred with a deliberate willing to use lies when necessary.
ORAC.....please don't say you have been exposed to the chemical cloud gently wafting it's way along the South Coast !

Straight from the horses orifice, not the one that ingests food, so to speak and from a "non Guardian source" no less !

Nigel Farage: I am proud to have taken a third of the BNP's support - Telegraph
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 07:08
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Speaking at a debate at Chatham House, Mr Farage said BNP voters who had switched to Ukip had been “holding their nose” over what he described as the party's “racist agenda” and found a more suitable home with Ukip.
He added that he had "no truck" with former BNP canidates and that such people were banned from standing for Ukip in the party's constitution.
I think that's clear enough?
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 07:50
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The point about which party to vote for, or support, when you are agree with some policies of a party, or parties, but not all of them, is a good one.

I think UKIP did pick up a great deal of support from those who felt that they could not support a racist party like the BNP, but who agreed with some of the more benign "put UK interests first" policies that were a small part of the BNP manifesto.

By the same token, I suspect that those of other political persuasions find themselves in the same dilemma. For example, I'm pretty sure that Tony Blair managed to appeal sufficiently to moderate conservatives as to pick up votes from the left of that party. By the same token, some traditional Labour voters may well have baulked at voting for Jeremy Corbyn, on the basis that his rather extreme left wing stance was unacceptable to them. I find myself in agreement with pretty much everything that the Lib Dems stand for, but cannot ever vote for them because I disagree strongly over their stance on Europe. I would guess that there are lots and lots of variations on this theme amongst the electorate, including some that relate solely to the personalities of party leaders, or local candidates standing for election.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 07:51
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Been through this and the facts show it isn't true. Which would seem to show your arguments aren't factually based, merely driven by malice and hatred with a deliberate willing to use lies when necessary.
The main problem for all of those in the country who have nailed their colours to the Labour mast is the knowledge that they will quite likely never again see Labour in power in their lifetime.

The Tory party were totally lamentable at the last election, an utter joke and complete shambles with many loyal Tory voters struggling to vote for them.

Contrast that with Labour who pulled out all the stops, promised free everything to one and all, took control of social media, rallied the young to leave their pits and vote and turned a toxic leadership into an almost electable combo, well once they sent Dopey Di to the naughty step.

Yet despite all of that they Tory's occupy No 10 with a solid majority and Labour occupy the opposition front benches with absolutely nothing to suggest thats going to change any time soon.

If the best it gets every day is the reality of having Jezza and Dopey Di on the levers of the Labour leadership then the life of a Labour supporter is always going to be a life of absolute drudgery.

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Old 29th Aug 2017, 08:54
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[QUOTE=Seldomfitforpurpose;9875930]The main problem for all of those in the country who have nailed their colours to the Labour mast is the knowledge that they will quite likely never again see Labour in power in their lifetime.

Whilst that may well be true it is more to do with the SNP taking all their seats up north rather than the success of The Tories. May could yet deliver a Labour/SNP coalition if Brexit goes sufficiently pear shaped, by which as I said elsewhere could include costing hard up Labour voters five hundred quid a year, a price that they are unwilling to pay to trade the ECJ for a bunch of British codgers in fancy dress sitting on the wool sack.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 09:26
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I thought the SNP lost seats in the last election?
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 09:55
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Originally Posted by fireflybob View Post
I think that's clear enough?
I suppose the clarity will be in the minds of UKIP supporters, but, as these are already muddled and confused, it's possibly because they are already only too well aware of the " amazing political coincidences " that exist...

Is Ukip a party of bigots? Let's look at the evidence
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 14:19
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Alex Andreou

Is Ukip a party of bigots? Let's look at the evidence
Hardly an unbiased commentator!
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 18:30
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
I thought the SNP lost seats in the last election?
Whilst they lost seats they still won 35. With those removed from Labour's tally they don't look capable of winning outright. After the ongoing Brexit disaster I don't see the Tories doing that either.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 19:40
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The only way for Labour to be in power is to be backed by the SNP, think I just identified the problem straight away.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 20:58
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Looks as if yet another branch on the money tree has fallen off

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn silent on lifting benefit freeze in Coatbridge speech

Jezza caught out in another election lie, this time on welfare. The ball of swing is now starting to unravel.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 21:22
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Jezza caught out in another election lie, this time on welfare.
That doesn't matter though - the only people who care about him lying weren't going to vote for him anyway. Bit like #brexit.
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Old 29th Aug 2017, 21:57
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Kezia Dugdale quits as Scottish Labour leader.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 09:01
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Piece by Corbynista, Chris Williamson in the Guardian ....

“I feel people have stopped listening to the smears and lies and dirty tricks. I think for all the talk about Venezuela and antisemitism, and the latest thing is sexism now, Jeremy’s overwhelming landslide victories in the leadership elections and the general election mean people have stopped listening to the smears.”

Corbyn won the General Election?
Williamson is Labours shadow "Fire minister"

Liar, liar, pants on fire!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...P=share_btn_tw
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 09:47
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I think that he is right about one thing, people have stopped listening, or to be accurate never listened. People who I know who are further left than myself are prepared to forgive Corbyn virtually everything. One old acquaintance, a very racist Brummie thinks that he is wonderful and was very scornful of my refusal to vote Labour on account of Corbyn.

When I raised the open door immigration policy he just shrugged it off. I think that the majority of Corbyn supporters take this view.
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