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Old 3rd Aug 2017, 10:18
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Old 3rd Aug 2017, 21:35
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Old 5th Aug 2017, 21:32
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It would seem the 'Love in' is coming to an end

New campaign urges Labour to back free movement - BBC News

Corbyn's pre election toxicity is making a return.
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Old 6th Aug 2017, 07:21
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And a big round of applause for those Tory "values".....

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Old 6th Aug 2017, 18:46
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And KnC obliges by giving yet another link to his poisonous rag. Again.
I'm waiting for him to back up his posts with links to the Morning Star.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 00:45
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Given how tightly the left clutch their pearls over the Tories, I hate to think what they're going to do when the UK has an actual right-wing government.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 05:42
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And KnC obliges by giving yet another link to his poisonous rag. Again.
I'm waiting for him to back up his posts with links to the Morning Star.
An aggrieved, if not suitably apoplectic UKIP ( deceased political party ) member writes......see above.

A generous of spirit Guardian reader, in response to this impassioned plea, is only too happy to negate this deprivation with a suitably applicable article therefore....


Said Guardian reader was amused to read the Guardian not only brainwashes the readers but has now been elevated to the status of " poisonous rag "......alas, the confusion with the Mail is somewhat abstract to say the least.

https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/...e#.WYf3vGeWzcs

After this altruistic gesture, let us return to JB's favourite media outlet....

Here's Dave enjoying a wizard and absolutely supah day out with some oiks and little people.....although the expression on the fizzog is one remarkably similar to the day he realised he'd just lost his job, not that this caused any undue hardship of course.

Having no idea as to reality, note also the "casual" attire, Dave's that is, not the rest of the audience.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-festival-goer

The "Tory Glasto" event in Norfolk.....Glasto, as we know, has a long association with...mud.

We can only pray for a deep depression to centre over the N.Sea on the day for all those chic green willies to be rendered useless as the quagmire overwhelms their Pimms swilling wearers and the venue epitomises their policies.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 05:48
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Right wing's day is done. Killed by Blair 's spectacular theft of the centre ground. After 1997 Tory thinkers (very) slowly came to the realisation that if they were ever to return to power they would have to embrace all kind of policies that were entirely toxic to the party led by Margaret Thatcher. Witness Clause 28, the vehement bashing of Gays. Now look at the party of Ruth Davidson, Justine Greening, and a whole clutch of men who kind of shared hotel rooms to save on expenses.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 06:16
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Don't underestimate the backlash that is brewing. There are now too many of these people in high positions and they cannot adequately represent those of us who do not share their proclivities. Over the weekend the National Trust was forced to back down on its Rainbow dictat. It is a small beginning.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 07:03
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Prevent criticism 'stems from ignorance' - BBC News

But the Muslim Council of Britain has said young Muslims were being targeted, and a former senior Muslim policeman, Dal Babu, said Prevent had become a "toxic brand" because it was not trusted by communities.
Well it would hardly be an effective strategy if it was targeting Anglican pensioners would it?

Maybe if the 'Muslim Council of Britain' spent more time and effort combating extremism amongst its young people, Prevent and the like wouldn't be required.

Don't underestimate the backlash that is brewing.
The liberal morons still don't understand that there is major anger amongst a large proportion of the UK (and many other countries). People are sick of being told what they have to think; they feel under-represented by the ruling class. That's why we've seen Brexit, Trump and a wider rise of nationalism in Europe. What the liberals can't understand is that a large part of society simply doesn't share their liberal values. If people continue to feel maligned and un-represented, eventually they're going to take matters into their own hands.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 07:12
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Originally Posted by Wingswinger View Post
Don't underestimate the backlash that is brewing. There are now too many of these people in high positions and they cannot adequately represent those of us who do not share their proclivities. Over the weekend the National Trust was forced to back down on its Rainbow dictat. It is a small beginning.
How quaint !...still, nobody could ever accuse you of being, what's that term again ? ah yes, ...... progressive...now could they.

Will you be writing a suitably irate letter to your MP, and the Mail, demanding the reinstatement of criminalising people who are part of the LGBT community I wonder.

It's a bit late this year, but, with a bit of forward planning, have a look at the various Pride events for your social diary next year......I recommend both Manchester and Birmingham in this respect.

And, you will be both amazed and delighted ( well maybe not the latter, but, there's always a glimmer of hope ) that, straight spectators are not excluded from watching !

Now, I'm no military strategist ( thankfully ) but, with an earlier proclamation as to "we will finish it ! " ( this in respect of Islam / Muslims you may recall ) and your, for obvious reasons not actually openly stated, formation of a covert ops brigade to counter such, is it possibly a shade unwise to open a second front as it were with regard to LGBT people at such an early stage ?.
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How quaint !...still, nobody could ever accuse you of being, what's that term again ? ah yes, ...... progressive...now could they.
There you go, arrogantly assuming that everyone actually aspires to be 'progressive'. Luckily, post-Brexit the UK can start to repair the damage done by decades of obsession with 'human rights'.

Will you be writing a suitably irate letter to your MP, and the Mail, demanding the reinstatement of criminalising people who are part of the LGBT community I wonder
Even by your standards it's quite a leap to suggest that because somebody doesn't necessarily agree with people being forced to overtly support a 'community', that they'd like to see the criminalisation of that 'community'. (Your mates the Muslims however...)

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I think the speed with which the National Trust engaged reverse gear and accelerated backwards gives us a pretty clear indication of where they stood in law on their LGB daftness.

Forcing staff to wear LGB colours simply because the company believes in LGB values is no more daft than believing a company with strong Christian values could force staff to wear a crucifix or a company with strong Islam ties expecting all its female staff to cover up.

The problem with this modern day progressive attitude is the constant dribble from said progressives is that they are incapable of tolerance, it's always my way or the highway.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 08:02
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There you go, arrogantly assuming that everyone actually aspires to be 'progressive'. Luckily, post-Brexit the UK can start to repair the damage done by decades of obsession with 'human rights'.



Even by your standards it's quite a leap to suggest that because somebody doesn't necessarily agree with people being forced to overtly support a 'community', that they'd like to see the criminalisation of that 'community'. (Your mates the Muslims however...)
First, my esteemed thanks for acknowledging my high standards. You may wish to aspire to them at some point.

Second....you may have noted the comment about a "backlash is brewing".

Now, call me a left wing liberal minded progressive if you like, but to me, that hardly suggests an acceptance and understanding of fellow human beings is hardly prominent.

Quite what this "backlash" will be however remains to be seen, because, thankfully, there is now legislation which criminalises those who decide to embark on actions which are to the physical and social detriment of anybody who is part of the LGBT demographic.

At no point however, have I seen, or heard, of legislation compelling people to overly support this demographic. If such exists, a link would revelatory and I look forward to you providing this.

I forgot to add, in recent weeks, both the BBC and C4 have aired excellent programmes that show how this demographic was persecuted in the past, and for no reason other than homophobic bigotry allied to the inevitable view that such relationships were purely sexual and could never possibly involve all those other aspects of a relationship which, seemingly, were exclusive to straight people.

I don't think it's beyond the realms of credibility when I say it's more than likely both yourself and Wingswinger declined to watch them.

Which is a shame in some respects, because if you had done, then the reasons for me, and several million other liberal minded progressives, may just have started to become apparent.

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Quite what this "backlash" will be however remains to be seen, because, thankfully, there is now legislation which criminalises those who decide to embark on actions which are to the physical and social detriment of anybody who is part of the LGBT demographic.
I can't speak for Wingswinger, but it seems clear to me that he was referring to a general backlash against "progressive, liberal" values, and not specifically against the LGBTIQ "community".

At no point however, have I seen, or heard, of legislation compelling people to overly support this demographic. If such exists, a link would revelatory and I look forward to you providing this.
Yet the NT saw fit to attempt to marginalise those who chose not to overtly support that demographic. I suspect someone in their legal department pointed out that they were on very shaky ground by doing so; however, the point is that some right on cretin in the NT hierarchy clearly thought that it was a good idea.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 11:51
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That may have been none other than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Ghosh herself, a most unfortunate choice of Director General for the National trust who has overseen some unwelcome changes during her tenure of the post. She is soon to become Master of Balliol College, Oxford where, no doubt, she will encourage the establishment of 'safe spaces' for the puir wee snowflakes in her pastoral care.

I can't speak for Wingswinger, but it seems clear to me that he was referring to a general backlash against "progressive, liberal" values, and not specifically against the LGBTIQ "community".
Quite so, 'magic. The Komrad Kommisar can never resist having a pop at me and it can be quite entertaining even if boringly predictable.

Enforced diversity and multiculturalism were dreadful mistakes which have had their day. The resistance against them is growing and even some of those on the left who sponsored the ideas are joining in the criticism. It is enough that people of certain sexual orientations are no longer persecuted, victimised or discriminated against. The rest of us may or may not wish to "celebrate" the "community" (they surely can't all live together in the same place?); it must be left to the individual. I strongly suspect that the overwhelming majority of people find it distasteful and wish to have no part of it. That is all.

Furthermore, I look forward to the day when much, if not all, of the pernicious legislation in these areas can be repealed. To take 'hate-crime', there is no such thing as 'hate-crime'; there is only crime. Hate is a human emotion and it can be quite rational. To legislate against it is absurd and has led to ridiculous judgements where a person can be jailed simply for 'hate-speech' for longer than someone who commits assault or GBH which is not deemed to be 'hate-inspired'. A particular motive does not make a criminal act any more heinous than another similar criminal act. It must go.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 17:45
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Originally Posted by Wingswinger View Post
Don't underestimate the backlash that is brewing. There are now too many of these people in high positions and they cannot adequately represent those of us who do not share their proclivities. Over the weekend the National Trust was forced to back down on its Rainbow dictat. It is a small beginning.
A backlash that, according to the local news, seems to be headlined by a daft old biddy still living in the past. A substantial minority of people are gay. As far as I can tell they are not trying to get the rest of us who are not in on the act involved. Let's just live with it and let them get on with their lives.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 18:08
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Last time I checked (when still working and we were looking at workforce planning, specifically the provision of inclusive facilities), the sum of the LGTBIQ people within society as a whole was a fairly stable percentage, around 6%, and had been stable for a fair few years (given that surveys like this will inevitably have a fairly large margin of error). IIRC, the gay element was around 2% of the population, the transgender element was very tiny, only around 0.01%, but growing. The remainder were people who wouldn't associate with being heterosexual, or were non-specific as to their gender or sexual orientation.


From an employers point of view, I can honestly say that I only ever once saw an incidence of discrimination between someone on the basis of gender, and that was over a chap that was a bit of a dinosaur and refused to work with a transgender person. He was given an ultimatum - accept her or face dismissal. I never saw any indication of discrimination against any other group within the LGBTIQ sector of society within our workplace - racial discrimination was the main issue we had to deal with, followed closely by sexual discrimination (as in a few males refusing to accept that women were equal).

Personally I'm not convinced that this grouping, LGBTIQ makes sense. Gay people have very little in common with transgender people, for example, and those that are gender neutral (probably a larger number than many might think, I suspect), tend, in my limited experience, to be different again.
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 17:06
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Always said this lady has potential, albeit she won't be very popular with the disciples on here........

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...h-conservative

A future leader would be due recognition of her abilities, but you can bet the die hard Tory upper echelons would do their level best to undermine her should the opportunity arise.
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