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Old 28th Jun 2017, 22:35
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
An interesting stat would be how much councils actually saved in labour and materials costs by selling off some their stock in the right to buy scheme.
Overall, social housing is subsidised (although a lot less than it used to be), in that the stock is rented out for less than the open market value. The repairs service (whether in house or subcontracted) is part of that, as is the administration: a social landlord has costs just as any other landlord has.

But this is all opportunity cost not real money, so never actually materialises in a form that could be spent.

Not forgetting, of course, the ring-fence between the general fund and the housing revenue account which stops you moving money around anyway, even if it is actual cash.

You can tell I'm slightly floundering here - housing finance is immensely complicated and incomprehensible, so despite reading hundreds of pages of documentation and attending various training sessions and briefings I'm not actually anywhere near understanding it. I don't think it's one of those areas which is deliberately over-complicated by officers, so that councillors never understand it, so that councillors never try to interfere (eg actually making decisions and stuff), but I could be wrong.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 04:15
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-turns-cartoon

Ah, yes, another policy statement suitably flushed with success.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 04:36
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The Guardian would know that 'S-bend' quite well 'cause it's down there so often!
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 07:30
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Conservative Central Office recruiting Campaign Managers........
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 07:59
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The problem is not insufficient housing.

The problem is too many people.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 08:18
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
Siti,

Do you have a link to that Venezuelan article? I can't read it off the image and could do with a laugh this morning.

I recommend #10982 and #10983 respectively....


ORAC....love the job spec. The bit about "rolling up the sleeves " bit in particular.....Dave's legacy lingers on then !......mind you, the money's nowt to write home about..

Pwefect opportunity for some of the chaps on here to get involved however.

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Old 29th Jun 2017, 08:38
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
Siti,

Do you have a link to that Venezuelan article? I can't read it off the image and could do with a laugh this morning.
It was a screen grab from another site but I have found their on line magazines here..

Viva Venezuela! Magazine ? Venezuela Solidarity Campaign

I don't know if that page is there, but there is plenty more to laugh at, such as "When London welcomed Hugo Chavez".
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 08:54
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Making money from property isn't rocket science. A friend of mine runs about a dozen Buy to Lets and he gives excellent service to his tenants ( Even turned out Xmas day to personally fix a shower) as well as making money. Although he has owned some of his properties for several years he continues to buy a couple more a year.

Typically he buys a terraced house for around £80 - £90k and spends another ten to twenty on refurbishment, with rents averaging about £550 a month. If a local authority followed his model, with their ability to borrow at 2% p.a. or thereabouts their break even point on rent Would be around £200 per month. Add another £100 for maintenance and for about seventy quid a week their tenants could enjoy the kind of service my friend provides.

In addition of course they would have a long term capital gain. Win/win ?
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 09:29
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Effluent, Those are rather capitalist ideas for someone with leftie 'leanings', aren't they?

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The truth is sometimes 'unkind': Jon Snow criticised mid-interview by panellist who tells him 'not everyone hates the Tories as much as you do' !!!

(We've needed a 'Torygraph' quote on here for quite some time now to counter the Gruinard propaganda that is quoted here far too often. (Although I think that it is not many who quote it but that it is quoted by very few, often!)
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 09:32
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Making money from property isn't rocket science. A friend of mine runs about a dozen Buy to Lets and he gives excellent service to his tenants ( Even turned out Xmas day to personally fix a shower) as well as making money. Although he has owned some of his properties for several years he continues to buy a couple more a year.

Typically he buys a terraced house for around £80 - £90k and spends another ten to twenty on refurbishment, with rents averaging about £550 a month. If a local authority followed his model, with their ability to borrow at 2% p.a. or thereabouts their break even point on rent Would be around £200 per month. Add another £100 for maintenance and for about seventy quid a week their tenants could enjoy the kind of service my friend provides.

In addition of course they would have a long term capital gain. Win/win ?
I may be wrong, but I have a feeling that there were some restrictions placed on local authorities to prevent them from buying/building rental properties, that were introduced around the time that the right to buy scheme was introduced.

Whether those were eventually lifted, or whether they are still in place, I don't know, but I get the feeling that most rented social housing is now provided by housing associations.

I'm not at all sure how the funding for social housing works, but a councillor friend has told me that it's a bit of a nightmare.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 11:43
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
Effluent, Those are rather capitalist ideas for someone with leftie 'leanings', aren't they?

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The truth is sometimes 'unkind': Jon Snow criticised mid-interview by panellist who tells him 'not everyone hates the Tories as much as you do' !!!

(We've needed a 'Torygraph' quote on here for quite some time now to counter the Gruinard propaganda that is quoted here far too often. (Although I think that it is not many who quote it but that it is quoted by very few, often!)

More on the Snow-flake melt down, from Guido...

“We were brought on for the interview, I was up against two left-wingers. Just to test the water as to whether Jon Snow was comfortable on the subject I asked him before we went live: “how was Glastonbury?” He replied saying it was fantastic, absolutely amazing, so he didn’t seem too offended by me mentioning it. We did the interview and at the end, as a joke, and just continuing the banter from earlier, I said “not everyone hates the Tories as much as you do”. Jon was instantly riled. As soon as we were off camera Jon turned and said to me: “Well thanks a bunch, you complete bellend, that was totally unprofessional”. The producer rushed over and grabbed my lapel mic off, telling me to “just leave”. I was being ushered out of the studio. Jon basically lost his temper. I did think it would lighten the mood at the end of the interview, it wasn’t a personal attack in any way.”

Touchy, or annoyed that his impartiality () had been questioned?
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 11:50
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
Except your friend is probably quite choosy about who he lets live there. Unfortunately Local Authorities cannot be. The tenants are also VERY demanding when it comes to repairs, including those they have caused themselves.

Ask any local authority housing officer about some of the sights they see and the things they have to deal with day in day out. It can be a very stressful occupation in certain areas.
I've spoken to one or two workmen who have attended a few of the Housing Association houses locally, they say they take their work shoes off when they leave the property rather than entering it.

Edit: But in the interests of balance I must say that the majority of the HA homes I pass on my daily walks appear to be very well kept up and respected by their occupiers.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 14:04
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The legacy of selling off council housing is still with us. There was very little new build replacement rented accommodation, so as the more affluent council house tenants were able to buy their homes and move up the property ladder, there was a reduced number of affordable rented homes.
Well thats not Thatcher's fault - she was long gone by the time Labour got in and set the record for the least amount of Council Housing built in a single year.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 14:15
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Can someone give me a good reason why LA housing should exist?
Because workhouses went of fashion some years ago.....
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 14:34
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Because workhouses went of fashion some years ago.....
Up to a few years ago you could put a red rosette on a donkey and it would be voted into Parliament be the Glaswegians. The Gorbals had the highest saturation of council owned tenements in the UK. They were demolished some years ago and replaced by high apartment buildings which have in their turn been demolished.

None of them had been bought by their tenants so the was no problems about compulsory purchase. They were instant slums following slums.

That's Socialist Planning for you.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 14:36
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Up to a few years ago you could put a red rosette on a donkey and it would be voted into Parliament be the Glaswegians. The Gorbals had the highest saturation of council owned tenements in the UK. They were demolished some years ago and replaced by high apartment buildings which have in their turn been demolished.

None of them had been bought by their tenants so the was no problems about compulsory purchase. The were instant slums following slums.

That's Socialist Planning for you.
But as a lot of those people were probably employed in the shipyards, who required a large amount of labour, would that not also be capitalist planning?
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 15:06
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
The problem is not insufficient housing.

The problem is too many people.
Absolutely correct. I was shocked a few days ago to hear that the population of the UK increased by 500000 net last year and that was a record. This is totally un-sustainable. How can a supposidly intelligent species not be able to manage its numbers. This affects us all as it puts a massive strain on all services. Unless we are able to control our population it will if not already is the most important issue we have to deal with.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 22:42
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[QUOTE=Trossie;9815792]Effluent, Those are rather capitalist ideas for someone with leftie 'leanings', aren't they?

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Not especially, if enacted by government/local authority with the intention of providing good quality housing at affordable prices .
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 10:06
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Why do people on here assume that anyone who confesses to vote Labour is by definition voting for a totally centralised and government regulated economy?

Or that everyone who votes Tory is voting for a totally unregulated capitalist free-for-all?

What we need is a mixed economy. As ever, the devil is in the detail.

It's the mix we tend to argue about.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 12:54
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The thing I find most tiresome on Jetblast is the predisposition of a number of posters to respond to any criticism of Theresa May or the Government with some variation of,"well we tried Labour and we know how that turned out.

Please be advised it is possible to dislike Conservative politics and NOT be a 'lentil knitting socialist.

As someone who had 9 years in HM forces and later worked in industry in the UK, the USA and Germany, both as a wage slave and self employed, I probably have more experience of the sharp end of capitalism and market forces than many of Jet Blast's professional conservatives many of whom seem to have much of their working lives in HM Forces.

However, I still cannot abide the Conservative party.
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