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Old 15th Jun 2017, 16:32
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That drift to the left didn't take long to start did it?

Labour Calls for Properties Owned by the Rich to be "Requisitioned"
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 16:35
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Dutystude - only in respect of your apparent expectations of politicos and their acolytes. You were absolutely correct in your observation of Niemoeller's dictum but you would have to search long and hard in this thread or the forum's generally expressed views to find any hint of empathy or, indeed, sympathy. There is a long established body of entrenched "I'm alright, Jack, pull up the ladder" attitude here and any view which indicates concern for fellow men is sneered at as being some sort of left wing anti (their view of) Britishness. Tim Farron struck me as being one of the very few in politics who had, and stuck to, his principles. This is a concept which would be totally alien to our present leaders, whose facility in executing U-turns is more suitable to the children who played in the late, unlamented Top Gear!
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 17:18
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Ah, but, Cornish Jack, Tim Farron, like Peter in the garden of Gethsemane, did deny his faith under pressure from the media - aka Roman legionarie fascists.

Like JC, though, I think no less of him for that.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 18:44
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Tim Farron struck me as being one of the very few in politics who had, and stuck to, his principles.
So a religious zealot spends a good portion of his life as a Lib Dem politician telling all and sundry to do as I say as opposed to do as I do?

Thats sticking to your principles?
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 18:45
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
do as I say as opposed to do as I do?
Has he been doing that Seldom?

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Old 15th Jun 2017, 19:18
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Dunno, what do you reckon?

Quitting because his job is not compatible with his religious beliefs strikes me as maybe he should not have been in that job to start with, unless of course he is a late starter on the Religion front.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 19:42
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Here's a controversial view for you: A disapproval of same-sex marriage should not disqualify anyone from holding any public office. It is a matter for individual conscience as is religious faith. Holders of, and candidates for, public office must be spared such inquisition. In other words Farron's answer to the persistent questioning should have been 'that's irrelevant' or 'that's none of your business".
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 20:01
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Seldom, I wasn't (for a change) being provocative! Is it not possible to hold a view: gay sex is a sin, maybe; and also have the view that consenting adults should be free to exercise their free will in all aspects of their lives. And place on record that you believe the latter by always voting in favour of extending LGBT rights and freedoms? Jus' askin'.

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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:04
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Which is the greater sin:

- coveting your neighbour's ass, or
- coveting your neighbour's wife?
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:15
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Originally Posted by Wingswinger View Post
A disapproval of same-sex marriage should not disqualify anyone from holding any public office. It is a matter for individual conscience as is religious faith.
Unless as part of that public office you tell others that they should approve of it, even though you don't yourself, as thats the right thing to do.

Sorry but its rank hypocrisy to tell others to do as I say and not as I do.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:18
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Seldom, I wasn't (for a change) being provocative! Is it not possible to hold a view: gay sex is a sin, maybe; and also have the view that consenting adults should be free to exercise their free will in all aspects of their lives. And place on record that you believe the latter by always voting in favour of extending LGBT rights and freedoms? Jus' askin'.

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But is that kind of deception either honourable or honest?
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:23
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Originally Posted by EGLD View Post
Children are brainwashed with left-wing views from primary, through secondary and then higher education
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:26
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Where is the hypocrisy?

I am TG and am perfectly happy with a politician who can express their personL views whilst accepting they are personal and cannot and should not be imposed on the the population as a whole - it's the very essence of liberalism.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:30
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Seldom, I don't thing its a deception, dishonourable or dishonest. If by voting in favour of LGBT stuff, he's only after approval- that's different. But if he's living his life one way, and upholding therights of all to do the same- not seeing a problem.

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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:35
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
But if he's living his life one way, and upholding therights of all to do the same- not seeing a problem.
That's what liberalism is about. I live my life my way, and I'm quite happy for you to live your life your way, even if that's a way that seems incomprehensible to me.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:36
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Brainwashing is an active thing. The pie charts show voting intentions- they do not expose a desire to indoctrinate or brainwash the pupils. In addition, asking the question as the TES did, a week before an election after 8 years of pay stagnation... what would you expect?

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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:46
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There is a YouTube video of Bernie Sanders laying into a devout Christian nominee for some minor post in the Trump administration. Watch it. It reminded me of old newsreels of Sen Joe Mc Carthy.

Bernie's gripe was that said nominee had written, in a Christian journal, that (to paraphrase) muslims are condemned (will not find salvation in the afterlife) because the reject Jesus as the Son of God. Bernie took this as an insult to non-Christians and rejected the nomination.

As all Christians believe that the path to salvation is through (and only through) Jesus Christ then, for Bernie, no Christian is fit for office.

You know, just like Communists once were.

I worked for many years in a Muslim country. One of my colleagues was a Matawah. No fire-breather though; in fact a very gentle human being. We discussed Islam and he was quie candid - as a non believer I was going to hell. He took no pleasure in this. Indeed his many gentle attempts to get me to see the true path were not made in order to claim a scalp but, out of respect and affection, to save me.

Every Muslim believes that Christians and other non believers are dammed.

You cannot be a Christian or Muslim without believing in the true path to salvation in accordance with the tenets of your faith.

But you can, and the overwhelming majority do, treat all equally irrespective faith.

But not Bernie or our Liberals it seems.

Farron is a Christian. Khan is a Muslim. That is fine by me even though, as an atheist, I'm pretty sure they both agree that I am dammed.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:47
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
In addition, asking the question as the TES did, a week before an election after 8 years of pay stagnation... what would you expect?
One might expect them to be against Labour who trashed the economy so leading directly to their pay cuts?
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 21:52
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Originally Posted by Dutystude View Post
There is a YouTube video of Bernie Sanders laying into a devout Christian nominee for some minor post in the Trump administration. Watch it. It reminded me of old newsreels of Sen Joe Mc Carthy.

Bernie's gripe was that said nominee had written, in a Christian journal, that (to paraphrase) muslims are condemned (will not find salvation in the afterlife) because the reject Jesus as the Son of God. Bernie took this as an insult to non-Christians and rejected the nomination.

As all Christians believe that the path to salvation is through (and only through) Jesus Christ then, for Bernie, no Christian is fit for office.

You know, just like Communists once were.

I worked for many years in a Muslim country. One of my colleagues was a Matawah. No fire-breather though; in fact a very gentle human being. We discussed Islam and he was quie candid - as a non believer I was going to hell. He took no pleasure in this. Indeed his many gentle attempts to get me to see the true path were not made in order to claim a scalp but, out of respect and affection, to save me.

Every Muslim believes that Christians and other non believers are dammed.

You cannot be a Christian or Muslim without believing in the true path to salvation in accordance with the tenets of your faith.

But you can, and the overwhelming majority do, treat all equally irrespective faith.

But not Bernie or our Liberals it seems.

Farron is a Christian. Khan is a Muslim. That is fine by me even though, as an atheist, I'm pretty sure they both agree that I am dammed.
Newsflash Dutystude: only us Catholics are going to heaven! The rest exist for God's amusement

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Old 15th Jun 2017, 22:05
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Seldom

Is there a chance you might be confusing approve with accept.

There must be lots of things you disapprove of (and voice your disapproval) but accept (and tell others to accept).

Farron disapproves of gay marriage but accepts it and tells others to accept.
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