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Old 21st Jun 2017, 15:09
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Just watching Corbyn now on the BBC Parliament Channel....

What a complete and utter knob.

You guys in the UK are staring down the barrel of a howitzer....
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 15:26
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Originally Posted by vctenderness View Post
I switched on the radio in the car yesterday and was surprised to hear that prat Ed Milliband acting as a DJ in place of Jeremy Vine.

Firstly what is he doing poncing around on Radio 2 whilst still a member of Parliament?

Are we deducting a weeks pay from him while he is playing Adele rather than reacting to the division bell.
That wouldn't be the same Ed Milliband who railed against MPs taking second jobs when they should be devoting their time to their constituents, would it?

Move along, nothing to see, except another socialist hypocrite!
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 16:34
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Well, that was the first time a State Opening of Parliament had me shouting at the telly.
May postponed the original date on the grounds she needed a few days to sort out a cobbled together majority. She has failed in that simple task but went ahead with the opening despite the original "excuse" being still there.
The excuse was then made that it will be a sawn-off version of the ceremony as it was too close to the Queen's Birthday/Trooping the Colour to make the arrangements. It was always going to be close to the Queen's Birthday. The Forces involved would make no such excuses. If told they were needed for a parade this evening, the response would be "Where and what time?" Perhaps we are to be fooled into believing the State Coach needed an extra couple of days in the State car wash to get rid of the weekend's dust.
Or is May plotting some sort of coup? "Listen, we threw the manifesto in the bin and then we had the abridged version of the State Opening in 2017, we cancelled the 2018 version so you may not be surprised to learn, we have cancelled them all for the future. Well, with the 5 year fixed parliament scam, who needs them?
The delay seems to have been largely about removing the more contentious elements from the manifesto, in an attempt to make policies more palatable. Not sure if that will work or not, we'll have to wait and see.

The lack of pomp and splendour may well be at the insistence of the Palace, rather than the government, I think. The Queen seems to have taken on the role of trying to keep the peace with those who are justifiably angry at the Grenfell Tower tragedy, and I'm near-certain that she was probably the instigator of the low-key state opening.

The one person who seems to have had consistently good judgement over recent weeks has been the Queen, and this state opening seems entirely in keeping with the sort of thing she would ask for.
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 16:42
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The one person who seems to have had consistently good judgement over recent weeks has been the Queen, and this state opening seems entirely in keeping with the sort of thing she would ask for.
VP.... 100% with you on that. We are so fortunate to have this lady as our Head of State. At 90 + she could very easily just sit back and enjoy life at Sandringham. Instead of that she gets "stuck in". One or two politicians could take leaf out of her book.
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 16:50
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Move along, nothing to see, except another socialist hypocrite![/QUOTE]
Are you forgetting Tory Hypocrisy. What about George Osborne and the arch hypocrite one D Cameron. I well recall them ranting about Tony Blair doing a number of jobs cashing in.
Were the socialists the only ones accused of expenses fraud. Don't think so. Perhaps you have a very short memory????
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Buster15 View Post
Move along, nothing to see, except another socialist hypocrite!
Are you forgetting Tory Hypocrisy. What about George Osborne and the arch hypocrite one D Cameron. I well recall them ranting about Tony Blair doing a number of jobs cashing in.
Were the socialists the only ones accused of expenses fraud. Don't think so. Perhaps you have a very short memory????
A little lesson in "Hypocrisy"

There is no hypocrisy if they are open and honest about their dealings outside of Parliament, which currently is allowed. The hypocrisy arises from the Labour ranks who complain about it, then go and do it themselves.

The reason most Labour politicians are not involved in commercial work outside of parliament is because, frankly, they are in the main useless and unemployable. The public sector, where standards are much, much lower is their natural home.
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 17:11
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
A little lesson in "Hypocrisy"

There is no hypocrisy if they are open and honest about their dealings outside of Parliament, which currently is allowed. The hypocrisy arises from the Labour ranks who complain about it, then go and do it themselves.

The reason most Labour politicians are not involved in commercial work outside of parliament is because, frankly, they are in the main useless and unemployable. The public sector, where standards are much, much lower is their natural home.
Thank you for explaining what a hypocrite is. I wonder why you know the subject so well.
I think that you need a little lesson in history or do you believe everything printed in the Daily Mail???
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 17:35
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" The reason most Labour politicians are not involved in commercial work outside of parliament is because, frankly, they are in the main useless and unemployable. The public sector, where standards are much, much lower is their natural home"

Siti !....and to thunk you woz indeed once one yourself....! unless your Air Force was separately run that is.

We're in total agreement here old boy !.... well at least about the standards of management in the military.
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 17:37
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Originally Posted by Buster15 View Post
do you believe everything printed in the Daily Mail???
When all else fails, blame the Mail?
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 18:14
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When all else fails, next to fail is the Mail.

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Old 21st Jun 2017, 18:33
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Well, that was the first time a State Opening of Parliament had me shouting at the telly.
And I bet you didn't notice the Queen's EU Hat ..!
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 18:37
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Originally Posted by bnt View Post
And I bet you didn't notice the Queen's EU Hat ..!
Wasn't there an overheard comment some time around the referendum hinting that she rather hoped the vote would be to leave? Not sure if it was true or not, but I suspect that the gradual creation of the European Federal State may not go down to well with the few remaining monarchs in Europe.............
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 18:42
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And I bet you didn't notice the Queen's EU Hat ..!
It's only got five "stars". A prediction of more exits to come?
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 18:57
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
I still find it strange to think that I was a small baby in a carry cot, with my parents, standing in the crowd outside Buckingham Palace after the Coronation (according to my parents - I don't remember it!). I've grown up, been educated, had a career and have now been retired for a few years, yet the Queen, and Prince Phillip, are still doing their duty to the country. Quite remarkable, really.
Apparently they are addicted to the Smell of new paint..................... they believe it is everywhere.
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 10:42
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Jolly good show. The more places they go, the more things get tidied up! Does that explain why so much of France looks shabby and unpainted? They are republican!
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 11:54
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From another thread ...
Originally Posted by UniFoxOs
There's English Billions, American Billions, and now we have Daily Mail Billions.
... and from one of our more 'balanced' contributors
"Did they get Dianne Abbott to calculate the figures? I hear she is back in circulation!"

Then there's the other lady with (supposedly) diabetes and her demonstrated ability with numbers and how to forecast their value ...
Unfortunately, she has been allowed to continue with her hands on the levers of power!
Most interesting viewing recently - "Theresa v Boris : How May became PM". Even allowing for journalistic licence, the process, as depicted, leaves questions of morality in public office and a deep sense of unease as to what trust we should place in 'our' elected 'leaders'.
And, finally, we are informed that the soon-to-be-implemented constituency revisions will mean a loss of some 50 Labour seats. Sooooo ... a group of UNELECTED bureaucrats are allowed to modify our election results to an extent of almost landslide proportions with not a word of complaint!! What was that rage over unelected officials in Brussels?? Presumably being stuffed by our own 'invisible' Sir Humphreys is considered to be jolly good British democracy in action
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 12:30
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Cornish Jack, the change was voted on by the MPs as per:

The law requires the size and shape of parliamentary boundaries to be periodically reviewed to keep with up demographic changes influencing the number of eligible electors in each area as well as other factors such as local administrative arrangements
Boundary changes: Why UK's political map is being re-drawn - BBC News

2018 Review | Boundary Commission for England
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 14:53
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Funny how so many around here where calling for blood after Diane Abbott's sub-standard TV performance before the election. Do I hear similar calls for BoJo's head after his cringeworthy TV performance yesterday?

Boris Johnson in 'worst interview by a politician ever' following Queen's Speech | The Independent
Boris Johnson's Diane Abbott moment ? Brexiteer suffers car-crash interview on BBC | UK | News | Express.co.uk
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...dio4-shnn2gkq6

Or is there a standard for Labour politician and one for Tory politicians (or maybe a special standard for BoJo, the court jester)

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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 15:09
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... we are informed that the soon-to-be-implemented constituency revisions will mean a loss of some 50 Labour seats.
The loss of 50 MP seats. Who says they'll all be Labour?
... the changes ... will see constituencies more closely equalised in terms of size
Sounds fair to me. Of course that will mean Labour losing their present unfair advantage. That also sounds fair to me!


About Johnson and interviews: Boris Johnson wondering if he can blame horrific interview performance on Type 2 Diabetes!
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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 15:55
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"the change was voted on by the MPs as per:"
... just as they voted on the poll tax, housing benefit reductions, war in Iraq etc., etc. As a single entity voter, I am totally dependent on location as to whether my vote has ANY value, yet the Boundary Commission (I repeat, UNELECTED!) can modify the result by 50 seats - irrelevant whether it favours Blue, Red, Yellow or Sky Blue Pink in political terms, it is WRONG, UNDEMOCRATIC or any other nasty little 'fiddling' term you care to use. The stupidity of quoting 'democracy' when considering an inhabitant of a 'safe' seat who holds a minority view is so obviously at variance with any reasonable definition as to beggar belief, yet it continues to be done. I fully understand that the 'establishment' have no wish to empower the populace but I am sick to the back teeth with the received wisdom that we're too stupid and/or lazy to recognise the fact.
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