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Old 11th Jun 2017, 20:20
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Who cares whether we are bound by EU trade rules or the world rules.
We? You're in Finland.

In answer to your question. Not many may care but they bloody well ought to. We are leaving a free trade zone for....???

And if you would lose 2-3K in (income) tax under Labour that means you are on about 125,000 quid a year. Would you really stop going to restaurants?

Perhaps you would. But by far the bulk of your fellow diners will not be affected by the tax increase so your custom would probably not be missed too much.

Also remember that a lot of those restaurant staff would not have voted Labour as they are not entitled to vote, being, er, EU immigrants.....
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 20:28
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Regardless of who won how many votes (and I thank the crowd on here for educating me. I keep reading here how Corbyn was thrashed, had his arse handed to him etc. And I made the obviously erroneous assumption that his 40,086 votes probably made the Tory candidate, with 6,781 votes the runner up. I appears I was using the wrong logic. So, I must make a note to the effect that the person with the majority of the votes loses.
Anyway, back to her indoors (Mrs. may); she was told by her colleagues to sack her 2 closest advisors, so she did that in the proverbial heartbeat. She brought Gove into her cabinet. With the history those 2 have between them, this could provide some light hearted moments. And then of course "We have reached a deal with the DUP". Response from the DUP was along the lines of "You have? Mind sharing it with us or shall we wait until we have our meeting to discuss any deal on Tuesday".
If it wasn't so potentially sad, the forthcoming 12 months at Westminster could be bloody hilarious!
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 20:49
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If I had to put some money down on the next Conservative PM, I'd put in on Sajid Javid.

Charismatic, handles the press week, has the ideal business background to deal with the city over Brexit and has the ideal background to appeal to the north of England the party wants to support them. And he is a Brexit supporter.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajid_Javid
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 20:55
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Originally Posted by ORAC
If I had to put some money down on the next Conservative PM, I'd put in on Sajid Javid.
Interesting choice, parents of Pakistani descent. Is he a muslim? That would play well if he got to meet The Donald.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 21:13
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Tweet from the largest coppers forum:

Dear Theresa, it's not the number of MPs that counts it's how you use them. You have to do more with less that's all.

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Old 11th Jun 2017, 21:17
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Born in Rochdale and raised in Bristol, Sajid spent most of his formative years outside the M25. After attending a local state school, he went on to read Economics and Politics at Exeter University. Sajid became involved with politics whilst at school, an interest that continued at university.

He began his career in banking, and at the age of 24, becoming the youngest Vice President in the history of Chase Manhattan Bank. He then went on to work in banking where he helped raise investments for developing countries.

Sajid served as the Member of Parliament for Bromsgrove from 2010 until April 2017 and several positions in the last two governments.

MP for Bromsgrove, 2010 – present
Economic Secretary to the Treasury, Sep 2012 – Oct 2013
Financial Secretary to the Treasury, Oct 2013 – April 2014
Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, April 2014 – May 2015
Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills, May 2015 – July 2016
Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, July 2016 -
Ministerial Champion for the Midlands Engine, July 2016 -

Sajid is married to Laura and they are proud parents of four children.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajid_Javid#Early_life

"....In an analysis of the 2010 intake of MPs by Westminster consultancy firm Guide Public Affairs, Guide to the Next Prime Minister, published in August 2011, Javid ranked third, and was the top-scoring Conservative.[19][20] In October 2012, Iain Dale in The Daily Telegraph included Javid in his list of "Top 100 most influential figures from the Right".[8] Dale wrote: "His fast rise up the greasy pole into George Osborne's inner circle is not only proof of this man's ambition but also his talent." Nicholas Watt in The Guardian has also suggested that Javid could rise to the top.[21]

In The Times' 2014 right-wing power list, Javid moved up 18 places to number 8, with the article stating that he had emerged "as the senior member of the 2010 intake" and that if "the Tories want to jump a generation, then a Javid leadership candidacy would provide the opportunity."[22] The 2014 GG2 Power List ranked Javid as the most influential British Asian [23] and, at the accompanying GG2 Leadership Awards event on 5 November 2014, David Cameron described Javid as "the brilliant Asian man who I asked to join the Cabinet" and stated that "I want to hear that title 'Prime Minister' followed by a British Asian name."[24].....

A Conservative Home poll conducted in December 2014 marked Javid as the "Conservative to Watch in 2015".[25] The responses to the survey were tested against a control panel supplied by YouGov, and Javid topped the poll, receiving 43% of the votes cast. In July 2014, Forbes magazine compared Sajid Javid to Barack Obama and suggested that Javid could become the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.[26].....

At a Conservative Friends of Israel lunch in 2012, The Jewish Chronicle reported Javid as stating that "if he had to leave Britain to live in the Middle East, then he would choose Israel as home. Only there, he said, would his children feel the 'warm embrace of freedom and liberty'".[33]"
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 21:18
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May thanks for re-posting it!
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 21:20
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Originally Posted by finncapt View Post
My take.

Long time Tory, yes, I did support Labour at Uni.

Corbyn is gone whatever he says, he couldn't mount an effective coalition - hopefully some smart chap/ess comes along and becomes the next leader.

The Tories need to find a "non grey suit" leader - they still have the likes of Ken (can't remember his surname) trying to interfere, the young are taking over, look at Macron, and the sooner they realise that the better.

The Tory/DUP coalition will hold until the Tories decide otherwise.

Brexit will happen and we will end up with a soft border in Ireland, the same rights for EU citizens as now but we will be the masters of our own destiny - Greece doesn't sit well in Finland.

Who cares whether we are bound by EU trade rules or the world rules.

I could live with Corbyn costing me another 2-3K in tax but could those restaurant staff, who voted for him, afford my loss of trade?

Democracy was served well by this election and the country escaped a fiscal policy that put it up there with Venezuela.
I could take issue with a lot of your post but it's a matter of opinion.

However that last paragraph costs you all credibility. Or maybe you understand economics better than the Nobel prize winners you backed him? Scandinavian countries seem to have done OK, I always laugh when people suggest any kind of socialism equates with Venezuela, it is revealing of incredible ignorance of socialism, social democratic parties, and how it is practiced and its outcomes globally. Corrupt socialists ruin countries, corrupt capitalists ruin countries. See all those right wing dictators installed in south America.

And was it just restaurant staff voting for Corbyn in Kensington? Quite a lack of class in that comment to be honest.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 21:28
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Interesting choice, parents of Pakistani descent. Is he a muslim?
"Conservative MP for Bromsgrove, Sajid Javid, is commonly assumed to be a Muslim, but in his own words he said: “My own family’s heritage is Muslim. Myself and my four brothers were brought up to believe in God, but I do not practise any religion. My wife is a practising Christian and the only religion practised in my house is Christianity."
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 21:38
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neila83, I suggest you investigate how the Scandinavian economies restructured themselves post their financial crisis of the 1980s; in most respects they are far to the right of the UK.

http://www.reforminstitutet.se/wp/wp...form140301.pdf
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 21:38
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Tweet from the largest coppers forum:

Dear Theresa, it's not the number of MPs that counts it's how you use them. You have to do more with less that's all.

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Surprised they managed to get one of them off the golf course for long enough to make an internet post
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 22:05
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Surprised they managed to get one of them off the golf course for long enough to make an internet post
I wondered that too; but perhaps it was one of the coppers injured by murderers in London last week. From hospital.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 22:10
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I believe that was a London Transport Officer.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 22:41
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Interesting choice, parents of Pakistani descent. Is he a muslim? That would play well if he got to meet The Donald.
I suppose you missed Trump visiting Saudia Arabia where he was received with Honors (unlike Obama) and met with Leaders of more than a few Muslim Nation's Leaders.

Your TDS is showing in case you have not noticed!

Besides your guy is not a Muslim!

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Old 11th Jun 2017, 22:44
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
I suppose you missed Trump visiting Saudia Arabia where was received with Honors (unlike Obama) and met with Leaders of more than a few Muslim Nation's Leaders.

Your TDS is showing in case you have not noticed!
Actually I'm well aware that Trump visited Saudi. I just took it that Trump didn't realised that the people he was dealing with were Muslims.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 23:17
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I believe that was a London Transport Officer.
I believe I was being sarcastic ORAC! And 3 policemen were hospitalised.

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Old 11th Jun 2017, 23:20
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I find the constant disrespectful posts towards President Trump and the Americans to be embarrassing and usually it is by the malcontents who are not proud (or even pleased) to be British. What and where is the Utopia they seek? From the sound of it not many of them could be trusted to run a whelk stall.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 23:55
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I find the constant disrespectful posts towards President Trump ... to be embarrassing
Today's story (admittedly subsequently sort-of not-quite denied) that he won't visit the UK if and whilst there are likely to be mass demonstrations against him does solve one problem - it saves me a train fare to London.
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 04:00
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Sorry I haven't kept up with all the posts, but after the recent elections in the US, in terms of the UK general election has anyone blamed the Russians yet?

Best post I saw relating to the election result was "I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of teddy bears were launched into orbit..."
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 07:13
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I think those are sensible comments, Islandlad. Yes, she failed to get the overall majority she wanted and in that phrase is contained the problem with the Conservative campaign. It was presidential almost; not collegiate; other cabinet ministers were gagged; they let themselves be put on the back foot; they were not flexible enough to change tactics when they should have.

One person who does not come out of this at all well is the editor of the London Evening Standard. When all Conservatives need to pull together, he is toxic.
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