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Old 11th Jun 2017, 07:37
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My child, behold Theresa May,
Who threw a winning hand away.

Elected to a good safe seat,
Her chief concern was for her feet:
Though she did nothing glorious,
Her shoes became notorious.
As Minister for Women, she
Did nothing useful one could see,
A practice that she did not vary
When she became Home Secretary.
Pretending to curb immigration,
She added millions to the nation,
And most of them were Muslims, but
She pissed them off by banning qat.

Events then started to unroll
When Cameron had to hold a poll
On membership of the EU,
Aimed to remain, and she did too.
But when the vote and count were done,
Oh fatal day! The Leavers won.
Candidates rushed to take Dave's place
But, strangely, fell out of the race.
The only one left standing, May,
Now had her coronation day.

Of course she said that we would leave,
A claim the wise would disbelieve.
While we were longing to get out
She made brave speeches, and did nowt,
And finally, to danger heedless,
Called an election that was needless,
Lost her majority. She's toast,
But Brexit is a fading ghost.

Few can guess what her conduct means,
But I think that behind the scenes
A gang of horrible old men
Shunted her in, and out again.
She was a dummy made of straw
For Tory elders – nothing more.
They clearly chose Theresa May
As weak, easy for them to sway.
Their aim in using her was sure:
To get their EU sinecure;
And what they did to our poor nation
Was not part of their speculation.

But now, perhaps our wish is granted,
For May has got what she least wanted.
A deal looms with the DUP,
Conservatives with a small c.
They'll hold her famed feet to the fire
And get whatever they desire.

Credits to Tachybabtus.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 10:53
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The DUP are in a weak position to make demands. Historically they have supported the Conservatives in the Lobby. What are they going to do now, vote against the Conservatives or abstain in a vote of no confidence and help an IRA and united Ireland supporting Jeremy Corbyn into office as the Prime Minister?
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 11:40
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Some advantages of the Election results:

1. Corbyn did not win.

2. Corbyn did not lose badly.

3. The SNP have been significantly diminished.

4. Once the departure from the EU has been finalised, no-one will be able to complain that they were 'bullied' into it by any dominant Party.

5. Northern Ireland is going to play an important role in finalising the departure from the EU.

6. Corbyn did not win!

To explain those:

1. Thank goodness! His tax-and-spend plans would have wrecked business or chased it away resulting in a lower tax-take and yet another 'Broon-style' overspend (most likely worse) that would have put future generations in even worse austerity than we have seen recently.

2. He has done well enough that Labour will not be able to ditch him; we will now listen to a stream of hypocrites who only just recently proclaimed no confidence in his policies lining up to say how good he is (no doubt to help oil their political come-backs within the 'new' Labour Party). Ultimately the cracks will re-appear in the Party and return to in-fighting as the British public wakes up to the realities of socialism and Corbyn's 'shine' tarnishes badly.

3. Independence is now a dead-and-gone concept; 62.5% of the Scottish electorate voted for parties supporting the Union. As such that 'independence ransom' position being used by the Scot Nats to try to scupper plans to leave the EU does not exist any more, helping to pave a more successful path to leaving the EU. The SNP will be in continual decline from now on.

4. Departure from the EU is a fractious topic and the arrangements will now have to be more consensual. Those wanting to make a 'fight' out of it, from all sides, are now likely to have the rug pulled out from under them.

5. With the Common Travel Area between Ireland and the UK, Northern Irish involvement in arrangements for the departure from the EU is vital; these election results ensure that. (I can actually see the Republic of Ireland steadily 'drifting' away from the EU in future.) Any attempts by the EU to try to 'entice' Northern Ireland away from the UK and 'back' to the EU are now totally scuppered.

6. That is so important that it needs another mention!!!
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
What you might call a decidedly unholy, sounds more sanguine than downright ( rude word ) desperate alliance .....
What a dreadful bunch the DUP are. Labour, of course, would never lower themselves to striking deals with them; only the wicked unprincipled Tories would do that. Oh, hang on........

https://order-order.com/2017/06/11/l...-with-the-dup/
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
What a dreadful bunch the DUP are. Labour, of course, would never lower themselves to striking deals with them; only the wicked unprincipled Tories would do that. Oh, hang on........

https://order-order.com/2017/06/11/l...-with-the-dup/
True...and they have.

One small point, sorry to spoil your euphoria here......Labour were not in power at the time and neither were they desperate to form a Gov't due to,
lets think, not having an overall majority ( ignore the fact they had one prior to the election and successfully managed to lose it thereafter ) perhaps ?

The Tories on the other hand......

A special mention for Trossie.....alas, a career in political analysis would seem not to be your future. There again credit where credit is due. When it comes to your perception of politics, nobody can ever say you are not consistent.

Finally...Siti !.....a budding Poet Laureate no less !....albeit plagiarism is generally frowned on in such literary circles old boy.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 12:44
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 12:51
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At least the pig was dead. May has just f**ked us over and we're alive!

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Old 11th Jun 2017, 13:20
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The liberal left media are in a frenzy demonising the DUP.

Shock horror they are not in favour of Gay Marriage (although they are in favour of civil partnerships) they are anti-abortion and probably worst of all they want to abolish the BBC TV licence Nooooooooooo!

One caller to a radio station today said 'they want to hang homosexuals'.

No mention of the fact that they are a long standing political party with seats at Westminster and normally vote with the Conservatives on issues.

That they are in favour of keeping the United Kingdom intact and are in favour of a Brexit with no border with the Republic.

The media are trying to link them with terrorists in NI which is not the same as the hard link that SinnFein has with the IRA.

In my opinion May doesn't need a formal agreement with them as they will back the conservatives Queens Speech and probably most parts of legislation as well.

In the meantime the media continues to trumpet the Corbyn victory as if he had actually won the majority of seats.

Note to them: HE LOST!
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 13:34
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Note to them: HE LOST!
Note to them: SHE LOST (her majority) ......
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 13:41
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Unless you are absolutely certain you can prove that allegation in Court, you may wish to consider the legal implications of what you have posted.


I believe the originator subsequently withdrew the allegation as being untrue.


Of course you may know more about what was alleged than we do.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 13:42
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Trossie,

Is your Labour Party akin to our Democrat Party in its behavior?

An example....they hated Jim Comey, the FBI Director, before they loved him.

Your Conservative Party sounds like our Republican Party.....which does not like Conservatives.

Example....the RNC forming a 55 Million Dollar fund in concert with the Chamber of Commerce (big business) to defeat Tea Party and conservative candidates during Primary Elections.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 13:46
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Labour now five points ahead
(Yes I know it's only a poll)
Labour take five-point lead over Tories in latest poll
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 13:49
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John Curtice provides some context:
“Labour has lost this election as badly as Gordon Brown did in 2010.”
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 13:55
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Who is the worse PM? The one who called a failed referendum? Or the one who called a failed general election?

When Salmond called for a referendum for Scottish "independence" he gambled and lost. He stood down as a result of his failure and bad judgement. That was the honourable thing to do in the light of his failure.

When Cameron called for a referendum on British "independence" from the EU he gambled and lost. He stood down as a result of his failure and bad judgement. That was the honourable thing to do in the light of his failure.

When May called for a general election she gambled and lost. She should stand down as a result of her failure and bad judgement. That would be the honourable thing to do in the light of her failure.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 14:01
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Originally Posted by Cazalet33 View Post
When Cameron called for a referendum on British "independence" from the EU he gambled and lost. He stood down as a result of his failure and bad judgement. That was the honourable thing to do in the light of his failure..

He "walked off the job", didn't need to. He could and should have stayed and worked with the outcome of the referendum. He just didn't prepare himself the possibility of a "no vote"....
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 14:11
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He made a complete and utter arse of his campaign in a vote which he himself instigated.

So did May.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 14:21
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If May had made a complete arse of herself, Corbyn would be in No 10, and he isn't.

The one way she can partially redeem herself is to remain in post until after the Queen's speech and a replacement Conservative leader is chosen to ensure he never does.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 14:37
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
One small point, sorry to spoil your euphoria here......Labour were not in power at the time.
Labour weren't in power in 2010?
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 14:38
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She most certainly did makle a complete and utter arse of herself. Repeatedly and in so many ways.

Here's what she actually predicted, in her own words:
“The prospect of Jeremy Corbyn walking through the door of Number 10, flanked by John McDonnell and Diane Abbott and propped up by the Liberal Democrat and nationalist parties, should scare us all.

“And make no mistake, it could happen.

“The cold hard fact is that if I lose just six seats I will lose this election, and Jeremy Corbyn will be sitting down to negotiate with the presidents, prime ministers and chancellors of Europe,”

The scare tactic did not work. Neither did any of her other tactics. She failed comprehensively and she should do what more honourable losers have done in her position: resign.
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Old 11th Jun 2017, 14:59
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Yet despite her "total arseness" she is still in No 10 with the Conservatives in power.
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