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Old 10th Jun 2017, 06:26
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" I take it you actually watched the programme, because if you did you would have noticed the whole audience cheering and applauding at the news of Nuttal resigning and Labour winning Kensington.

I take it you have no sense of humour then......seemed a perfectly justified and natural reaction to the news of both events.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 07:14
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Meanwhile, on TV elsewhere, a recent episode of Mock the Week (I think) had a participant describe Theresa May as "the only Nazi never to have got the trains to run on time".
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 07:49
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Originally Posted by neila83 View Post
A somewhat narrow definition of terrorism no?

Mate, it's over. The press went bezerk with that nonsense and it didn't work. Thatcher's government spoke to terrorists, so did Major's, and it got us peace. May's government sells arms to the folk who find ISIS so could you include May's friend's victims in your little tally?

The public will note the irony of being in coalition with terrorist sympathisers, however much you desperately hope they don't.
The DUP leader Arlene Foster nearly lost her father, a police reservist, when Corbyns IRA friends shot him in the head. The SAS later killed the gunman. Foster herself was nearly killed when Corbyns terrorist friends tried to blow up the driver of her school bus, he was a UDR soldier.

Corbyn consorts with, is feted by, and refuses to condemn terrorists the world over. Anyone who supports him carries a stain.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 08:06
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a demonstration of just how much of a joke politics in the UK has become.
UK would be hard pressed to beat the US politcal scene.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 08:12
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Ever done a Myers Briggs course? - only a few people, it is claimed, base their decision making on facts and rationality and stuff, there are several other models.
Very true. I recall being on such a course many years ago. One of the interesting decision making exercises was to get groups to consider two questions.

The first was what was the best size and type of garden shed? There were endless discussions on this, as we all knew something about sheds, and many already had firm views on the various types. I don't think any group reached a decision within the allotted time.

The second question was, how many nuclear warheads does the UK need in order to be an effective deterrent? No one had a clue, and a decision was reached by all groups well within the time limit, based on guesswork.

It was an interesting and educational exercise that demonstrated some of the reasoning behind the way we make decisions, and more than a little scary when we looked at the played back video recordings of our debates.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 08:20
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Originally Posted by EGLD View Post
Sounds like a reasonable assertion, but down the years it's become clear to me that universities are like socialist education camps, staffed exclusively by left-wing idealists who have very little work experience outside of their own echo chambers.
That exactly mirrors my university experience. Back then it was communist propaganda that was all-pervasive, everywhere within the university, and especially in the student union bar. I still have the copy of the Little Red Book that was handed out free to all students at the start of the first year.

Two years after graduating I was back at uni doing a different, part time, degree. The political atmosphere had actually swung further to the left, with all science students having to attend "social studies" lectures to "broaden their outlook". In my case, these lectures were entirely about communist sociology and the advantages it had over capitalism.

Listening to students from two Kent universities that were being interviewed on the radio yesterday, it was clear that the student unions were both dominated by Momentum, and I strongly suspect that Militant Tendency/Momentum have been targeting student unions as recruiting grounds for years.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 08:52
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That exactly mirrors my university experience.
And mine, but there's nothing new under the sun though is there, and if the Left think they can "turn" a nation by indoctrinating it's student population they haven't been paying attention to their own history.

We had a very labour dominated scene in the UK in seventies when I went to a very left wing UK Uni ( I was doing a science degree but the uni was, and still is heavily dominated by the social sciences). The union bar was full of Trots, Marxists, Socialists, Socialists Workers, communists, you name them we name them we had them..... including a few Tories...( but not many). Despite the diet of propaganda and supposed "indoctrination" in the years following my graduation we've not been short of Tory Governments and Tory PMs, e.g. Thatcher, Major, Cameron and May.

Several of my peer group from that uni went on to serve as national politicians, but not under the Labour banner - two ahead of me at Uni were junior ministers under Thatcher, one a few years behind me is a current Tory MP...I think the best any of the high profile "reds" managed was as a council official in Birmingham.....
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 09:07
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Originally Posted by OldCessna View Post
Across the pond we were all impressed when Lord Buckethead was shuffled to the other side of the stage pre announcements.
They had probably taken a lead from the example of a certain president in shoving others aside at a recent ceremony.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 09:21
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Just having finished a full time politics degree at Sussex University (and awaiting my result on the 20th) I can assure you nothing has changed.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 09:35
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Originally Posted by OldCessna View Post
Across the pond we were all impressed when Lord Buckethead was shuffled to the other side of the stage pre announcements. Fox Biz Network could not figure out what was going on!
It only got worse when the raging Loony Party member appeared later on!
The eccentrics that always stand in our elections are one of the things that, in my view, makes the process more bearable; at least we get a bit of light entertainment.

In my constituency we had a Druid standing for election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Uther_Pendragon), yet again, who was wearing his full Druid robes and regalia at the count. It adds colour to what would otherwise be a far too serious event.

Mind you, our local LibDem candidate somehow thought that wearing bright colours and standing in the middle of roundabouts, waving like a lunatic at passing motorists, was an effective campaign technique. Needless to say it wasn't.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 09:42
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Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation

The eccentrics that always stand in our elections is one of the things that, in my view, makes the process more bearable; at least we get a bit of light entertainment.






And for a bit of balance....

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Old 10th Jun 2017, 10:05
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
... and as I explained to my children when they were small "it almost worked" is another way of saying "it didn't work" ...


Bizarre how Corbynistas are saying that Corbyn has disproved all the accusations of being unelectable by ... failing to get elected.
Context Dear Boy. If Port Talbot Town lose 11-10 on penalties to Man Utd in the FA Cup Final, everyone would think it a 'victory', without the win. A slaughter would be the expected result. In April, the script was for such a wipeout that Labour would be in the wilderness for a generation. They're not.

But as you astutely point out, they lost.

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Old 10th Jun 2017, 10:42
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Just having finished a full time politics degree at Sussex University (and awaiting my result on the 20th) I can assure you nothing has changed.
In a way I'm glad to hear it...TBH I think once teenagers/those in their early 20's you leave uni life gets a bit less abstract and political views tend to moderate to a greater or lesser degree.

Good luck with the results.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 10:50
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Oh dear I have been modded. I will rephrase.

The cold hard fact is that if I lose just six seats I will lose this election, and Jeremy Corbyn will be sitting down to negotiate with the presidents, prime ministers and chancellors of Europe.
Why has this not happened?
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 11:17
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HIGNFY - I'd disagree that Hislop is centre left - he is a total cynic about all politicians - he seen it all and heard the lies from every side. He is just as willing to rip into a hard left Labourite or anyone on the right, and the show is all the better for it.

Just thought, it is now possible that we are looking at the possibility of a former HIGNFY host becoming Prime Minister in the near future
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 11:32
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
HIGNFY - I'd disagree that Hislop is centre left - he is a total cynic about all politicians - he seen it all and heard the lies from every side. He is just as willing to rip into a hard left Labourite or anyone on the right, and the show is all the better for it
I'd agree, and I find that I agree with his views more and more as I get older..............
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 12:23
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Context Dear Boy. If Port Talbot Town lose 11-10 on penalties to Man Utd in the FA Cup Final, everyone would think it a 'victory', without the win. A slaughter would be the expected result. In April, the script was for such a wipeout that Labour would be in the wilderness for a generation. They're not.

But as you astutely point out, they lost.

CG
I agree with you, for Labour under Corbyn it's more about the direction of travel and the next destination.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 12:31
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
for Labour under Corbyn it's more about the direction of travel and the next destination.
Many 'pundits' were predicting that the recent General Election would mark the total demise of the Labour Party for decades to come.

How do they view it now?
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 12:34
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The final brilliant flare up before the candle snuffs out.
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Old 10th Jun 2017, 12:36
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
I agree with you, for Labour under Corbyn it's more about the direction of travel and the next destination.
I think that's a more pressing question for the Tories. On the one hand, another election could see them actually lose; but clinging on with the Irish nutters in tow for 5 years is less likely than Corby winning. Go Blues eh?

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