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Old 7th Jun 2017, 13:22
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I wonder if the Abbot apologists could sit back and ponder the following notion.

Firstly though you need to forget her gender, forget her colour and definitely forget this 'supposed' illness and simply concentrate on 'her'.

Can any of you please list for us, preferably with written or video evidence the qualities that you think make her suitabie for the officec of Home Secretary. Please feel to go back as far as you like timewise when looking for such evidence.

This is nowt but axrealisation that she alone is about to sink the ship and as thus she is being cast adrift.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 13:27
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Seldom, she won't become Home Secretary, even if -- heavens forbid! -- the Cortwit does manage to win. It is Lyn Brown that you need to be asking those questions about. When directed at this new contender, still very valid questions though.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 13:31
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Diane Abbott: I will rejoin the fray soon - BBC News

You sure about that.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 13:31
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Tory Monetary Policy

The only monetary policy the Tories have is AUSTERITY. Anybody can simply impose cuts and further cuts on government departments. The clever thing is to make those work.
Q - are they working. Well NO. Remember G Osbourne policy to end government debt by 2020. So hardly working is it.
Q - are any of the Tory manifesto policies costed. Well NO. The only numbers are the page numbers.
What a fantastic monetary policy to put forward!!!!!!!!!
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 13:36
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And this is the fantastic policy put forward by the other lot:



(Do you notice that it includes plans for growth too!!)
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 13:39
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IMHO, Ms Abbott is not a nice person. She has used her race and gender to deflect fair criticism. She has been contradicting in her socialist beliefs in a variety of ways including state education. She wants to succeed in an environment(politics) in which she seems to hold in such contempt.

By now taking a 'break' would it have been more professional for her and Mr Corbyn to have removed herself from this election earlier so as not to put any more pressure on her? Didn't Mr Corbyn not realise that outside Ms Abbott's constituency she is generally reviled and thus would not help Labour appealing to it's traditional voters?

Get well Ms Abbott, but stop treating the population as mugs.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 13:40
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"So in your alternate reality we should replace Boris with Thornberry "
Oh yes, yes, please - ANYBODY in place of that bumbling buffoon! If he ever grows up to be an adult, maybe, just maybe, he will get to make use of the very expensive education to which he has been exposed. Perhaps the friendly and helpful Mr Gove could point him in the right direction? Still, as is often said, one selects one's own friends so judgement in these matters is quite important - yes? It's the sort of area where having people who make the important decisions stick reliably to their policy statements .. such as "No election" and "No Personal Insurance increases". Oh dear, that sort of behaviour would NEVER occur with a Strong and Stable leader - Weak and Wobbly ? ... well that's quite different 'cos W&W wouldn't want to face their critics while exposed to the public gaze. Much more comfortable that way (Stern, Earnest look!)
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 14:02
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I won't be voting, of course, but seems to me that the BIGGEST problem facing the UK during the next five years is BREXIT and the eventual outcome.

Sure there are certainly some other 'internal' problems to resolve, but get BREXIT wrong and these would seem minor in comparison.

On that basis, and that basis alone, I can't imagine why anyone would not vote for your current PM - good or bad as you thing she is - because the alternatives just don't seem to have the desire, the determination, or the commitment to make sure that the UK will exit the EU without being hopelessly and totally screwed.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 14:04
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Looking at his record he did wel as Mayor of London - well enough to get re-elected for a second term. What senior posts has Thornberry, my apologies, Lady Nugee, held?

Apart, do course, from the imaginary rank of Lieutenant Colonel she claimed because she appeared as a barrister in some Court Martials
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 14:08
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One major problem we seem to have is confusing electioneering prowess with governmental competence.

Frankly, I don't really give a stuff how any politician comes across in a few weeks of electioneering; we know they all spout total crap when they are trying to get elected, so making judgements based on their personalities is frankly just barking mad.

What matters is our individual assessment of the competence of each party when it comes to addressing the major issues the next government has to tackle, plus the competence of our individual prospective members of parliament when it comes to best representing our own views in the next parliament.

For this we should really largely ignore all the electioneering rhetoric, together with the bullshit and lies from all parties and the media, and look instead at the strengths and weaknesses that each party has demonstrated in the recent past, and the qualities and views of our local candidates.

I have not voted Conservative since 1979, and that was the first time in my life I have ever voted Conservative. In general, my political views are pretty much in the centre, which poses a massive problem for this election, as there is no viable centre party to vote for, and certainly no viable centre candidate in my constituency. Looking solely at the strengths and weaknesses of the two major parties, it seem very clear that Labour is in a mess, with an extremist left wing leader, who may well be a personable bloke, but has shown no ability to manage and lead in his entire career. The Conservative party seems a lot more cohesive, with only fairly minor internal disagreements, and has a leader that seems many times more capable than the Labour leader. Locally, our Conservative MP is pretty average, but he has been responsive and helpful on the two occasions that I've had dealings with him, even though we vehemently disagreed over one local policy.

Based on all the evidence I've seen and read, rather than gossip and mischief making, I'm going to vote Conservative for the second time in my life, not because I support Conservative policies in general, but because they are, to me, the only party that stands a chance of governing the country reasonably well over the next five years.

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Old 7th Jun 2017, 14:16
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I would say the Conservative party is placed firmly on the centre ground. I can't see anything right wing about them at all! That's one of their problems.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 14:19
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Reading that article, specifically this quote by Labour's International Trade spokesman:

Labour's international trade spokesman Barry Gardiner said he had been told by Labour Party officials that Ms Abbott was suffering from a long-term illness.

"Diane is clearly not well and I understand that it is a condition which has been diagnosed and is long-term," Mr Gardiner told TalkRadio.

"I think anybody who has seen her in the past couple of weeks would realise that she was showing that she was not well, in the way in which she had been operating."

He added: "Everybody is aware that Diane didn't perform well in a couple of programmes, but what we didn't know was why and I think that has now become clear."

Mr Gardiner later told the Press Association it was a matter for Ms Abbott to decide what details of her health should be made public.
seems to hint that she may well have a more serious underlying medical condition. Probably best not to speculate, as despite the fact that I can't stand the woman, I think we owe it to her, purely on the grounds of common decency, to just wait and see what may be publicly released over the coming weeks.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 14:51
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I would say the Conservative party is placed firmly on the centre ground. I can't see anything right wing about them at all! That's one of their problems.
Whew.

Could I suggest Saudi Arabia?

It's very right wing, but maybe that's just me? It may be exactly what you're looking for.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 15:02
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Reading that article, specifically this quote by Labour's International Trade spokesman:

Labour's international trade spokesman Barry Gardiner said he had been told by Labour Party officials that Ms Abbott was suffering from a long-term illness.

"Diane is clearly not well and I understand that it is a condition which has been diagnosed and is long-term," Mr Gardiner told TalkRadio.

"I think anybody who has seen her in the past couple of weeks would realise that she was showing that she was not well, in the way in which she had been operating."

He added: "Everybody is aware that Diane didn't perform well in a couple of programmes, but what we didn't know was why and I think that has now become clear."

Mr Gardiner later told the Press Association it was a matter for Ms Abbott to decide what details of her health should be made public.
seems to hint that she may well have a more serious underlying medical condition. Probably best not to speculate, as despite the fact that I can't stand the woman, I think we owe it to her, purely on the grounds of common decency, to just wait and see what may be publicly released over the coming weeks.
Oh yes, she's really ill. Photographed on her mobile just a short walk from the studio, and just minutes before the interview she 'had to' pull out of. She was probably taking the call from her ex, I mean party leader, telling her in no way was she to go on air

Now she is saying "I will rejoin the fray soon" - yes, very soon, like on Friday morning, when all the votes have been cast and she can't do any more damage to the Labour campaign

The only 'illness' she has suddenly come down with is incompetentitis

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Old 7th Jun 2017, 15:12
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Just a thought....
There are more than 65m people living in UK, the real figure 70m +
Ppune is a very popular medium.
And yet we see the same 6 or 7 people commenting on a GE in the UK at a deridingly time? Where are the other thousands? Have they given up? I know I have!
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 15:17
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I suspect they are all too busy reading the avalanche of manifesto leaflets posted through the letter box, from cover to cover, to decide who to vote for tomorrow and don't have time to post on PPRuNe.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 15:45
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Well politically terminal at least. I foresee a retirement to the backbenches to give her more to time to spend with her family.

There wasn't enough room there for her in the last parliament, what with the 200+ Labour MPs who declined to serve under Corbyn in the shadow cabinet. However I think there will be more than enough spare seats after tomorrow.....

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Old 7th Jun 2017, 16:27
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Agree with the two above posts.

I'm not an Diane Abbot fan and have no idea what condition she is in or condition she is suffering from but I'd be wary of assuming from what we've heard/read so far that she or the Labour party are crying wolf. I know from family experience ( as I'm sure are others) that it's perfectly possible to walk around, use a mobile phone and even hold down a job to some degree whilst suffering from some very nasty illnesses - but you may well not be at the top of your game...

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Old 7th Jun 2017, 16:37
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Even in the heat of the moment that post appears on the face of it to be way over the top K Hopper, unless of course you were referring to her political career.

If you were talking about her time in politics I sincerely hope you are wrong and that she is back ASAP as she has single handedly dealt the Labour election campaign a seriously bad blow.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 17:44
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For those intent on just having a pop at Diane Abbot (something I've done more than once, before reading today's comments from a spokesman in her own party), just pause and have a think about what long term condition might cause someone in their early sixties to have what seems to be repeated instances of short term memory loss and cognitive difficulty. Then have a think about whether you'd be so scathing if the person so afflicted was a member of your own family.
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