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Old 5th Jun 2017, 08:21
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On the subject of police funding, how often have we heard the phrase "known to police and security services" after a terror attack?

In many, if not all of the cases, the police had previously arrested the terrorists on well founded suspicions, but had been forced to release them due to human rights legislation and that weasel phrase "cultural sensitivity".

Now, where does the lack of police funding enter into it?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 08:28
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
On the subject of police funding, how often have we heard the phrase "known to police and security services" after a terror attack?

In many, if not all of the cases, the police had previously arrested the terrorists on well founded suspicions, but had been forced to release them due to human rights legislation and that weasel phrase "cultural sensitivity".

Now, where does the lack of police funding enter into it?
Excuse me. You seem to have forgotten to cite any supporting evidence for this assertion.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 08:47
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On the 23000 Potential Jihadis...

Is there a source for this number; and are we to believe that all 23k are British? If some are not British, are we not as a country, able to repatriate them at will? Or do the weasel-word lawyers get a bite first? My point is, as a sovereign country, can't we pick and choose who we have here without question, and without recourse? I sense that's what the Americans do?

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Old 5th Jun 2017, 09:52
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Perception

Originally Posted by Jetex_Jim View Post
Excuse me. You seem to have forgotten to cite any supporting evidence for this assertion.
I have read reports that would lead people to believe the comment. But like numerous things, perception can be more damaging in these circumstances.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 09:55
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Is that a new rule for JetBlast? May as well delete 95% of the threads now.
If that was the rule for all journalists, then the "unnamed source", for many of the articles coming out of the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN and others, then we would only be getting 5% of the news
 
Old 5th Jun 2017, 10:06
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Is that a new rule for JetBlast? May as well delete 95% of the threads now.
Come on now, this is considered to be a forum for the well informed.

I really hope you are not suggesting that people are doing nothing more than circulating their prejudices and personal biases.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 11:16
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
If some are not British, are we not as a country, able to repatriate them at will?
It would be neat if there was such a law.

I'd be able to get rid of people like, say American business rivals, simply by shopping them anonymously to a terrorism hotline. And once we've got rid of the HRA they'd be on the next plane out, feet wouldn't touch the ground!
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 11:33
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Lets hope this one is on the nail as the alternative is about as scary as it gets.

http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/c...et-whip-young/
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 11:54
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
It would be neat if there was such a law.

I'd be able to get rid of people like, say American business rivals, simply by shopping them anonymously to a terrorism hotline. And once we've got rid of the HRA they'd be on the next plane out, feet wouldn't touch the ground!
Neat! except we don't have a 'business rivals' watch list. We have a terrorism list (apparently) of 23 thousand possible murderers. I am asking, without hysteria, If GB cannot simply remove uncerimoniously, people the security services judge 'undesirable'.

CG

Edit: I'm not asking if there is a law- I'm asking if a state has the right. And, I'm only asking about non-UK citizens.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:10
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The evidence from recent terror attacks in the UK is that all seem to have been perpetrated by people that we would classify as British citizens.

The perpetrators almost certainly don't consider themselves to be British, primarily because of the extreme doctrine that they adhere to, a doctrine that doesn't acknowledge the concept of nationhood.

When it comes to non-British nationals and whether or not they can be deported, then I believe that if they are not EU citizens then their right to remain can be revoked at any time. If they are EU citizens then things get more difficult, as they have an automatic right to remain, I believe, under EU law.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:23
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VEEP, if that was for me, thanks. Yes I get the home-grown angle... I was wondering if we might fracture some lines of comms/take out a layer of expertise etc if x000 non Brits were just expelled.

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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:25
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Corbyn has called on May to resign.

He has obviously forgotten that 80% of his own MPs were so fed up with him that they voted for him to resign!
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:28
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My guess is that we don't have many non-British extremists, as the chances are that anyone who is on that watch list and is not either a British citizen or an EU citizen, will probably have had their right to remain revoked.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 12:39
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Corbyn has called on May to resign.
Just white noise innit?

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Old 5th Jun 2017, 13:49
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Originally Posted by Jetex_Jim View Post
Corbyn would do better by discussing May's record of reducing police funding.
how would an extra 20,000 police have prevented last Saturdays attack?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 14:27
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Corbyn has called on May to resign.
Err... She has effectively resigned by calling an election, hasn't she? It's now up to the public to decide if she can stay on. The Cortwit doesn't seem to quite have a grasp of the situation, does he?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 16:49
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
how would an extra 20,000 police have prevented last Saturdays attack?
It isn't simply about that attack, sickening and cowardly as it was, it is about Policing By Consent which is what we are told is the policy.
For this to happen, and it is vital that it should, the police need to be accessible to the public.
In my local area, there used to be a local police station as I suspect in most areas. Recently this was closed and the police moved to a more modern facility.
I had occasion to pass on information so went to this new facility. The door had a keypad and there was no method of entry. So I waited until someone came out. I asked how I go about speaking to someone and was told that that police station was not available for the public. Slightly surprised I asked how I go about passing on information to the police and I was told to phone 999 and they drove off in the car.
I am sure this is not unique and it illustrates the breakdown between police and the public.
Yes they performed brilliantly in the London bridge attack but without routine communication between police and the public the vital information flow breaksdown.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 17:11
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Originally Posted by Jet 11
how would an extra 20,000 police have prevented last Saturdays attack?
https://www.ft.com/content/62339c56-...4-c742b9791d43

Steve Hilton, a one-time policy chief to former prime minister David Cameron, called for Mrs May to quit, tweeting: “Theresa May responsible for security failures of London Bridge, Manchester, Westminster Bridge. Should be resigning not seeking re-election.”
(London's mayor) Mr Khan said £600m had been cut from the London police budget over the past seven years and there were £400m more cuts to come over the next four years. He said that a planned change in the police funding formula could cost the capital a further £700m, amounting to a total cut of £1.7bn.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 19:10
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Steve Hilton twittering? Nothing new there!
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 19:16
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May seems to have no fight.
Why isn't she reminding us labour nearly bankrupt the country leaving a letter saying no money left!
How corbyn voted against all her anti terror initiatives.
Extra police wouldn't have prevented London Bridge.
I was impressed the buggers were dead within 8 mins, she should be shouting all this and more
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