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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 16:09
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Funny (peculiar, not laughing) that a request for those who lambast JC (for not specifying WHEN he would use a nuclear attack) are unable (or unwilling) to state when THEY would do so. So, come on, all you 'buckets of sunshine' warriors, let us into your secret desires to incinerate large portions of the earth - which SPECIFIC group, country, race or other takes your fancy: do you just want to do it for the HELL of it?? ... or is it just JC who you feel doesn't have the guts to speak up?
The whole point is that having the capability, and demonstrating a commitment to using it in extremis, is THE deterrent.

Having the capability, but demonstrating no commitment at all to use it is NOT a deterrent, so we may as well not have it. If Jeremy Corbyn wins the election, then the message to the world will be that the UK no longer has an effective nuclear deterrent, despite spending billions on it.

I don't think many rational people would ever wish to see nuclear weapons actually used, but we have managed to maintain a form of uneasy peace between many world super-powers by the deterrent effect, what has been referred to back in the Cold War era as MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction.

My personal view is that I think the time has come for the UK to look long and hard at where it spends it's defence budget, and I'm not at all convinced that we need a nuclear deterrent now. I'd rather see that money spent on improving those defence capabilities that we are called upon to use now.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 16:49
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Corbyn win in the early hours of 9th June.


04.30 - decide that the feckers are not having mine.


08.30 - go to dealer and buy a Discovery Sport.


10.30 - meet joiner at house re. new wine cellar design.


11.30 - go to Majestic and spend 25,000.


12.30 - buy a Eurostar.


14.30 - replace my wife's MX5 with a new one.


16.30 - order hot tub.


17.00 - quick drink.


18.00 - complete purchase of Portugese property - any property.


19.00 - make inroads to new wine cellar.


02.00 - place further order with Majestic.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 16:51
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It looks like Cornish Jack remembers the old CND quote.

Better Red Than Dead.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 17:22
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Originally Posted by Jetex_Jim View Post

My guess, the Conservative party will just scrape in. Then, when the swivel eyed ones that comprise the Conservative party wake up to how soundly TM has f***ed up, then she'll be gone. Off, as my American friends say, like a Prom dress.
Yep! Said as much about 3 weeks ago, before seeing just how uselessly TM has performed. Shocking. I'm not voting red, but unless SAS and Westie are in here masquerading as Tory voters, I fail to see how anyone is praising her here.

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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 17:28
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Prime Minister

Question from a foreigner: has anyone remarked on the way Theresa May resembles prime minister Harriet Jones from Dr Who when she tries to deliver a clear message in public?

In other news, my spelling correction just proposed replacing 'minister' with 'sinister'. Gotta think about it.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:03
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Twisting facts, or worse propagating an untruth to suit your agenda does not create new facts.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2014/1...-the-troubles/

The NI office and the security services were operating without the knowledge of HMG, there were no negotiations.
And of course, Powell became a Labour stooge who went on to have a book to sell.
I was there, 1974-76.
Been there in 74-76 means you aware what happened then not later.

Using Sean O'Callaghan whose raison d'etre for getting a paid living died when Good Friday Agreement signed keeps need to make himself relevant to
make it seems like he knows what was happening.

So you seem to be suggesting that NI Office and Security services were doing what they like in NI.

So doesn't that make the securitys services and NI Office as direct and active supporters of terrorism. Therefore UK supporting terrorism.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:06
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
Have you got evidence of that? And while you are at it, can you get some evidence that Corbyn had an official mandate for his negotiations and wasn't just fraternising with his Marxist comrades?
Elected people meeting other people doesn't require a mandate does it.
Corbyns mandate was from people in his constituency.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:16
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... I fail to see how anyone is praising her here.
Me!

Compared with the muppets that we've had as PMs over the past two decades, she's great!

Now from that one could go to the exact opposite and have the Cortwit and his team of utter incompetents!!

Simple choice.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:18
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
It is an article by a PIRA activist not an opinion piece. There may have been back door discussions but the UK government were not using Corbyn as an intermediary, he had no official role and no reason to lie about meeting the IRA to protect his official cover but was merely expressing solidarity with their cause.
Spectator using Sean O'Callaghan, a convicted murder involved in killed a British Army reservist and an RUC officer before becoming an informer. He happy to take whomever's money was there and happy to make up stuff that even RUC and Stevens inquiry proved were lies.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:26
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Elected people meeting other people doesn't require a mandate does it.
Corbyns mandate was from people in his constituency.
So the people of Islington North launched the people's poet to bring peace to Ireland?
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:28
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Spectator using Sean O'Callaghan, a convicted murder involved in killed a British Army reservist and an RUC officer before becoming an informer. He happy to take whomever's money was there and happy to make up stuff that even RUC and Stevens inquiry proved were lies.
Have you got the evidence to prove that?
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:31
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Prior to the election being called I cannot recall to many folk extolling the virtues of Corbyn, in fact most Labour supporters readily acknowledged his lack of suitability as a party leader and supported the attempts to oust him from office.

The fact those same supporters are now championing him as the next PM speaks volumes about both effective intelligence and moral compass.

Irrespective of political leaning I have yet to find anyone who honestly believes that Corbyn, McDonnel and Abbot in No 10 is going to be a good thing so WTF people are doing their level best to bring that about is beyond me.
You won't get a pro Corbyn argument from me, and I am still not voting for him.
However I think what we are seeing is a disparity between the performances that we had been led to expect from the two main parties and what we have seen in the various debates.

I would have said that from what we have seen Corbyn has been marginally ahead, something that has been exacerbated by May's failure to join in the C4/Sky debate and also by the Tories inability to decide on a manifesto and stick to it.

I doubt that it will affect the outcome, which I expect to give them a decent majority. The big fear for the Tories is a result that leaves them back where they started. It's an outside chance, but what a hoo hah would ensue if St Theresa was returned with a single figure majority.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:33
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Originally Posted by mrangryofwarlingham View Post
Someone keeps suggesting that trade with the EU will stop

Despite reasonable people telling him that is rubbish

Well it is rubbish. Complete tosh.
And he knows it.
But keeps spouting the same tired repetitive story.

TF I have him blocked.
UK exports more lamb than it buys in................... UK can expect a direct tariff and one based on value, close to 50% in total.

http://www.ahdb.org.uk/brexit/docume...b_bitesize.pdf

France may be just willing to buy from NZ at which point do UK consumers wish to buy own produced.............
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:34
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
Have you got the evidence to prove that?
That he is a convicted murderer..........................yup
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:36
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
So the people of Islington North launched the people's poet to bring peace to Ireland?
Nope but he has a mandate from them and they fully aware whom he is meeting and they still elect him as their MP.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:45
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I doubt that it will affect the outcome, which I expect to give them a decent majority. The big fear for the Tories is a result that leaves them back where they started. It's an outside chance, but what a hoo hah would ensue if St Theresa was returned with a single figure majority.
If Torys don't end with a mega majority then it leaves the question of "How could you trust Theresa May to negotiate Brexit when she doesn't understand he own electorate".

I see a Tory win, it is just its level is the question.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:58
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Nope but he has a mandate from them and they fully aware whom he is meeting and they still elect him as their MP.
He has a mandate to negotiate with the IRA for the People's Republic of Islington North, as opposed to the UK?
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:59
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
That he is a convicted murderer..........................yup
No, that he was paid to lie for the Spectator article.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 20:02
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
Me!

Compared with the muppets that we've had as PMs over the past two decades, she's great!

Now from that one could go to the exact opposite and have the Cortwit and his team of utter incompetents!!

Simple choice.
So you agree she's useless unless compared to muppets? I despise Blair, but as a player, he confirms she's a muppet! Not a great choice then...

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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 20:30
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
So you agree she's useless unless compared to muppets? I despise Blair, but as a player, he confirms she's a muppet! Not a great choice then...

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You value Blairs opinion?
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